Let's talk about a wheeling trip...

[Willis]

Dang, so I could've just joined a generic Jeep club and gotten the same thing out of it? Boy did I get duped.

No, is a club based on the XJ/MJ. To qualify for a Individual Membership, one must have "Use of an XJ/MJ to participate in Events" (as quoted in the bylaws). Nowhere in the bylaws does it state that events must be limited to XJ/MJ owners, nor do I think they should.

Every year for Moab, Haggen and his family fly in from Germany and rent a TJ (that's all you can rent in Moab) and go wheeling with the rest of the XJ/MJs. They kinda look out of place, but have a blast doing so. Should he not be allowed since he is not driving an XJ?

The Cascade Cruisers of Oregon hold an annual 'Cruise in the Woods'. It is a very large, fun event. The majority of the event goers are Jeep owners though. The Cascade Cruisers are a Toyota club, hence the Cruiser part (Land Cruiser). To joint their club, you must own a Toyota (Truck, 4runner, Cruiser, etc). Their event is based around wheeling and having fun.

There is an exclusive club based around another Jeep vehicle. You must wheel that vehicle to wheel with them. I have heard others call the members of that club "d!cks" because of this. We don't need to be know as the club who thinks it s#!t don't stink.

 

[Avanteone]

Hey Steve, just thought I'd chime in. Naches area is a GREAT place to hold the type of event you are talking about. There are WAY more than two trails in that area. You've got the Naches trail itself, and then lots of other stuff up there including two rockcrawling areas (Moon Rocks and Funnyrocks). As you mentioned, it is also in a good location and there are LOTS of areas to camp. We go up there every year on Memorial Day with a large group of people and have a blast. I've been kind of lurking here and watching in the background and may be interested in becoming more involved in this group after seeing it finally getting headed in the right direction. I know several areas up there pretty good and know of a couple others that know the area as well. I've got maps from the PNW4WDA that show the trails in the area as well. John.

 

[ECKSJAY]

No, is a club based on the XJ/MJ. To qualify for a Individual Membership, one must have "Use of an XJ/MJ to participate in Events" (as quoted in the bylaws). Nowhere in the bylaws does it state that events must be limited to XJ/MJ owners, nor do I think they should.

Every year for Moab, Haggen and his family fly in from Germany and rent a TJ (that's all you can rent in Moab) and go wheeling with the rest of the XJ/MJs. They kinda look out of place, but have a blast doing so. Should he not be allowed since he is not driving an XJ?

The Cascade Cruisers of Oregon hold an annual 'Cruise in the Woods'. It is a very large, fun event. The majority of the event goers are Jeep owners though. The Cascade Cruisers are a Toyota club, hence the Cruiser part (Land Cruiser). To joint their club, you must own a Toyota (Truck, 4runner, Cruiser, etc). Their event is based around wheeling and having fun.

There is an exclusive club based around another Jeep vehicle. You must wheel that vehicle to wheel with them. I have heard others call the members of that club "d!cks" because of this. We don't need to be know as the club who thinks it s#!t don't stink.

Yeah, my bad. I guess I'll stay a member and opt not to participate. I mean, I am required to have an XJ to join....I am required to pay dues to be a member...but when it comes to events I'm forced to participate with non-XJs? I'm sure they know the areas and can wheel fine, but what am I paying money to belong to, exactly? So I can put a sticker on my Jeep and SAY I'm a member? With a name like na XJ a one could be led to believe that there's some sort of exclusiveness involved.

 

[JJ13]

I think it is pretty silly not to participate because a TJ (or something other than an XJ) will be wheeling with us. What if you had been a longtime member of and had several friends who you had wheeled XJ's with, and then you decided you wanted a Landcruiser??? Not to mention making our events an XJ only event would be a tad snobbish in my opinion. Do what makes you happy, but I think it is pretty foolish.

 

[ECKSJAY]

Yeah, my bad. I guess I'll stay a member and opt not to participate. I mean, I am required to have an XJ to join....I am required to pay dues to be a member...but when it comes to events I'm forced to participate with non-XJs? I'm sure they know the areas and can wheel fine, but what am I paying money to belong to, exactly? So I can put a sticker on my Jeep and SAY I'm a member? With a name like na XJ a one could be led to believe that there's some sort of exclusiveness involved.

:read:

 

[hards91xj]

Hey Steve, just thought I'd chime in. Naches area is a GREAT place to hold the type of event you are talking about. There are WAY more than two trails in that area. You've got the Naches trail itself, and then lots of other stuff up there including two rockcrawling areas (Moon Rocks and Funnyrocks). As you mentioned, it is also in a good location and there are LOTS of areas to camp. We go up there every year on Memorial Day with a large group of people and have a blast. I've been kind of lurking here and watching in the background and may be interested in becoming more involved in this group after seeing it finally getting headed in the right direction. I know several areas up there pretty good and know of a couple others that know the area as well. I've got maps from the PNW4WDA that show the trails in the area as well. John.

I see somebody else is watching and paying attention to whats suggested like from what I posted earlier. I would like to see a meeting or ? before the end of July .

 

[Glenn B]

Yeah, my bad. I guess I'll stay a member and opt not to participate. I mean, I am required to have an XJ to join....I am required to pay dues to be a member...but when it comes to events I'm forced to participate with non-XJs? I'm sure they know the areas and can wheel fine, but what am I paying money to belong to, exactly? So I can put a sticker on my Jeep and SAY I'm a member? With a name like na XJ a one could be led to believe that there's some sort of exclusiveness involved.

That is up to you.

I will point to the By-Laws, and the Elected Club Officers. If you do NOT want to wheel with anything but an XJ, that is up to you..... Grab your elected Club Officers and convince them to change the By-Laws. OR.... run for office for the next elections. Your Platform could be "XJ's only on the trails.... PERIOD. If a TJ/YJ/ZJ...etc... shows up, we will call the POLICE!!"

Seriously, the bylaws (in this respect) have not changed since you joined. Other rigs, as long as they are a Guest of a Member should not be shunned. We have had several people with those silly lil short wheelbase Jeeps, and Zuki's, etc... try to wheel with/keep up with XJ's on the trails. The cannot do it.... no need to exclude them, when we can convince them that the XJ is superior to Barbie Girlie Jeeps.

Hey, do not forget... this is all about FUN!!! Trails are fun, regardless of what vehicle they run, or even if they are in Oregon.
Take your marbles and go home if that is what you feel you need to do. Otherwise, lets have some fun.

If you want to be exclusive to XJ's only... good luck. Run for Office, make that change. Beware the MJ owners though....
Glenn

 

[ECKSJAY]

That is up to you.

I will point to the By-Laws, and the Elected Club Officers. If you do NOT want to wheel with anything but an XJ, that is up to you..... Grab your elected Club Officers and convince them to change the By-Laws. OR.... run for office for the next elections. Your Platform could be "XJ's only on the trails.... PERIOD. If a TJ/YJ/ZJ...etc... shows up, we will call the POLICE!!"

Seriously, the bylaws (in this respect) have not changed since you joined. Other rigs, as long as they are a Guest of a Member should not be shunned. We have had several people with those silly lil short wheelbase Jeeps, and Zuki's, etc... try to wheel with/keep up with XJ's on the trails. The cannot do it.... no need to exclude them, when we can convince them that the XJ is superior to Barbie Girlie Jeeps.

Hey, do not forget... this is all about FUN!!! Trails are fun, regardless of what vehicle they run, or even if they are in Oregon.
Take your marbles and go home if that is what you feel you need to do. Otherwise, lets have some fun.

If you want to be exclusive to XJ's only... good luck. Run for Office, make that change. Beware the MJ owners though....
Glenn

Hell with that...I say we just start shooting. Seriously though, enough of my playing Devil's Advocate. If you all need me to lead on a run I suppose I can do that. The folks who don't want to stop every 10 feet for photos can roll with me.

 

[Willis]

Hey Steve, just thought I'd chime in. Naches area is a GREAT place to hold the type of event you are talking about. There are WAY more than two trails in that area. You've got the Naches trail itself, and then lots of other stuff up there including two rockcrawling areas (Moon Rocks and Funnyrocks). As you mentioned, it is also in a good location and there are LOTS of areas to camp. We go up there every year on Memorial Day with a large group of people and have a blast. I've been kind of lurking here and watching in the background and may be interested in becoming more involved in this group after seeing it finally getting headed in the right direction. I know several areas up there pretty good and know of a couple others that know the area as well. I've got maps from the PNW4WDA that show the trails in the area as well. John.

Thanks John, if you can make it, how would you feel about leading a group? The maps you have, are they maps issued by the DNR/Forestry Service? Or are they independent maps? Also, would you know where I might get some? If not, I may contact the PNW4WDA to see where they get theirs. It would be nice to have many on hand to hand out to participants.

hards91xj, how do you feel about leading a group? Can I put you on my 'potential leaders' list?

Phil, sorry you feel that way. But the point about the change of a vehicle is a prime example. IE: Beezil (Member 3 or 4 or something ridiculously low) changed from an XJ to a CJ-6 (he is now back to an XJ). Even the 'have use of an XJ' thing gets fudged a bit. He is a founding member, but under your guidelines, he'd not be included in the club he help form. You are in the minority on this subject. Of course, you could always post a poll in the members forum with 2 options to chose from, "Allow 'other vehicles' at events", and "Not allow 'other vehicles' at events". I think you will find most of our members have nothing against 'other vehicles'. Of course you could have joined a generic Jeep club, but those usually have Bronco's and Sammies tagging along with. Most of us have friends with 'other vehicles', and like to wheel with our friends.

Steve

 

[Willis]

If you all need me to lead on a run I suppose I can do that. The folks who don't want to stop every 10 feet for photos can roll with me.

Oh ya, Do you have experience at Naches? If so, just one or two trails, or many more?

 

[Avanteone]

Steve, I'd be up for leading a group depending on when you plan your trip. I am crewing on a ProStock car (NHRA) this season so it kind of depends on the race schedule as I will be traveling. I am not sure where my maps are from, I will get a look at them in the morning, they are at my shop in the Jeep. I know the PNW4WDA will be at the Sportsman show in Puyallup coming up at the month and I'm sure they'll have them there.

John

 

[ECKSJAY]

Oh ya, Do you have experience at Naches? If so, just one or two trails, or many more?

I at least know the route from Whistlin' Jack's up to Funnyrocks. There are a couple of fun hillclimbs on the way up. I've also run the wagon trail a couple of times. That whole area is kinda 'ho-hum' later in the year because everyone else has run through everything...and the obstacles are worn down on the trail. Now if we were to go in Sept or Oct it's a different animal and we'd need a good deal of winches and dry socks along.

Overall though a stocker with decent tires and a locker should be OK. When I first ran through that area I had 2" BB and 30" BFG ATs with a front locker. Funnyrocks has a couple of lines that you can try depending on your buildup and skill level. There's a nice crack I remember up there that's a bit of fun for us bigger guys.

As for camping we stayed at Crow Creek, I believe. Bring your own water though. I for one am not opposed to 'primitive' campsites and the whole Manastash/Kaner Flats area would suit me fine (though I've not been through there very much). I'm certainly OK with wheeling, camping for the night, packing up, then wheeling to another spot that day. I'll settle for anything. Oh yeah, DEFINITELY keep all food in the vehicles overnight...NOTHING in your tents. We see bears every time we go out that way. Our first trip out with PNWXJ (a month after we formed) found us waking up to a bear trying to get into a trash can a couple of sites away. It's exciting to hear banging followed by grunts and snorts. Also at that campground that weekend were some Early Bronco club folks who seemed to not care about others around them. Grinders and air tools running at midnight to fix what they had broken during the day. What else? Hmm, be prepared to not have ANY, repeat, ANY open flames whatsoever. Your morning newspaper probably has more moisture in it than the brush does around there during a typical Summer. Very scary.

BTW, I have maps around somewhere also. I'll take a look.

 

[cherokeekid]

If John leads I'll hit it! never been to Nachos

Not really worried 'bout bears. I'll just bring the captain's crew :skull2: with me and take care of business.

Keep these boys in line Mr. Willis

(sorry been chasing a black bat all night)

 

[John90XJ]

We'd better rustle up some money so John can join. You can't lead a trail run unless you have the sticker.:anon:

 

[ECKSJAY]

We'd better rustle up some money so John can join. You can't lead a trail run unless you have the sticker.:anon:

Ow, my ribs. Hehe...oh well, you were the one I was referring to with the 'stopping every 10 feet to take photos' comment. :twak: Oh, I got my brake lines changed finally, lol. The YJ ones were too short, had to go aftermarket. Gobs o' flex these days.

I owe ya a few rounds, John. Let's meet up soon. :cheers:

 

[hards91xj]

Sure put me down for "Potential Leaders list" or rear gunners list. Is there going to be a planning meeting or something before long?

 

[Willis]

Sure put me down for "Potential Leaders list" or rear gunners list. Is there going to be a planning meeting or something before long?

Thanks! Once I can get some maps and information together, we can plan a meeting. It's not completely necessary, but would be nice to go over the material in person with some of the leaders and anyone else that would wish to show up.

 

[Erik]

Oh yeah, DEFINITELY keep all food in the vehicles overnight...NOTHING in your tents. We see bears every time we go out that way. Our first trip out with PNWXJ (a month after we formed) found us waking up to a bear trying to get into a trash can a couple of sites away. It's exciting to hear banging followed by grunts and snorts. Also at that campground that weekend were some Early Bronco club folks who seemed to not care about others around them. Grinders and air tools running at midnight to fix what they had broken during the day. What else? Hmm, be prepared to not have ANY, repeat, ANY open flames whatsoever. Your morning newspaper probably has more moisture in it than the brush does around there during a typical Summer. Very scary.

BTW, I have maps around somewhere also. I'll take a look.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys, how's it going? Work has been keeping me REAL busy, so I haven't had much of a chance to check in here. So July 24/25 for Naches is the plan? I've never been there and that date works great for me. ECKSJAY post raised a question for me though, should we expect a :flame: :nono: in July? Does that include stoves? What will I eat :spam: ? And a comment on locking food in Jeeps, while that may be our best bet, it doesn't always work. Bears in CA have learned to break out the rear/side windows of SUV's . Actually all they have to do is hit it real hard, and the window will pop right out and/or break. If someone just brings a dog with them it would be real helpful. Camping in the NW is the only situation where I would kick Halle Barry out of my sleeping bag for eating crackers, but it has to be done.

 

[argalaviz]

Oh yeah, DEFINITELY keep all food in the vehicles overnight...NOTHING in your tents. We see bears every time we go out that way. Our first trip out with PNWXJ (a month after we formed) found us waking up to a bear trying to get into a trash can a couple of sites away. It's exciting to hear banging followed by grunts and snorts. Also at that campground that weekend were some Early Bronco club folks who seemed to not care about others around them. Grinders and air tools running at midnight to fix what they had broken during the day. What else? Hmm, be prepared to not have ANY, repeat, ANY open flames whatsoever. Your morning newspaper probably has more moisture in it than the brush does around there during a typical Summer. Very scary.

BTW, I have maps around somewhere also. I'll take a look.

Hey guys, how's it going? Work has been keeping me REAL busy, so I haven't had much of a chance to check in here. So July 24/25 for Naches is the plan? I've never been there and that date works great for me. ECKSJAY post raised a question for me though, should we expect a :flame: :nono: in July? Does that include stoves? What will I eat :spam: ? And a comment on locking food in Jeeps, while that may be our best bet, it doesn't always work. Bears in CA have learned to break out the rear/side windows of SUV's . Actually all they have to do is hit it real hard, and the window will pop right out and/or break. If someone just brings a dog with them it would be real helpful. Camping in the NW is the only situation where I would kick Halle Barry out of my sleeping bag for eating crackers, but it has to be done.[/QUOTE]

As far as bears go it's best to get the food away and up in the air. I camp at a place in Whistler that has pulleys and ropes set up so you hoist the stuff 30' up the air. It's always fun to see bears...

Would you guys laugh too much if people "camped" in RV's?

 

[ECKSJAY]

ECKSJAY post raised a question for me though, should we expect a :flame: :nono: in July? Does that include stoves? What will I eat :spam: ? And a comment on locking food in Jeeps, while that may be our best bet, it doesn't always work. Bears in CA have learned to break out the rear/side windows of SUV's . Actually all they have to do is hit it real hard, and the window will pop right out and/or break. If someone just brings a dog with them it would be real helpful. Camping in the NW is the only situation where I would kick Halle Barry out of my sleeping bag for eating crackers, but it has to be done.

Heya Erik, my comment on food in the vehicles wasn't so much the keeping the food safe as it was keeping the bears away from the campers. But yeah, if someone brings along a dog (that doesn't bark at every damned thing!) it will help keep them away. Oh as for stoves they are OK so long as they are gas. Same goes for grills without the briquette rocks in the bottom. The idea is to be able to turn the knob and shut it off immediately. My gas Coleman stove doesn't sit and have the potential for smoldering after I turn it off. I'll probably be eating Spam anyway. I'm weird like that. lol

Still haven't tracked down the maps yet. It's amazing how much time you don't have once you have a family. :confused1