Jump from 4:10's to 4:56's

[Demonoid369]

off road with target tire size of 33", possibly 35" later on if I find it needed

Then go 4.56 or 4.88 look around for another naxja member around you that has 35s and either 4.56 or 4.88 and see if they will let you test drive to see which one feels right to you

 

[bobnoxious]

so if I wanted 33", I should go 4.10? Or 4.56 for extra ump?

If you want it geared to factory spec...4.10, if you want more gearing than factory...4.56

 

[bobnoxious]

I will be going to 4.88s on 35's. I ran 4.10s on 33's for a long time then upped tires to 35's still on the 4.10s. 4.56 is not enough for me. It's not about street-ability anymore though. This jeep has always been a dog. The 4.10s have never been enough.

Sidenote: Bobnoxious, you really overreacted on page 1, and it really made you look like an ass. I once used a vendor that didn't consider my opinion to be relevant... once...

That's your opinion, and you're allowed to have it.

My opinion is that when someone tells me I'm crazy, or that I don't know what I'm talking about, I kick their ass out of my shop...I have more than enough customers that I don't need to blow the occasional know-it-all who insists he knows way more than me.

Enjoy

 

[OutkastBoss]

so if I wanted 33", I should go 4.10? Or 4.56 for extra ump?

I would definitely recommend the 4.56 if you wheel.

I only actually get out to wheeling 4 or 5 times a year and drive my jeep everyday and the 4.56's arent causing me any issues or annoyances while driving it everyday.

 

[DrMoab]

That's your opinion, and you're allowed to have it.

My opinion is that when someone tells me I'm crazy, or that I don't know what I'm talking about, I kick their ass out of my shop...I have more than enough customers that I don't need to blow the occasional know-it-all who insists he knows way more than me.

Enjoy

Wow. Kick customers out of your shop huh? Never heard of "the customer is always right"

Even if they aren't right that is by far the shittiest attitude of a shop owner I've ever heard. After reading this I would NEVER give you an ounce of my money and I bet I'm not alone.

I don't really care if you are right on this issue or not. That attitude just plain sucks.

 

[OutkastBoss]

so if I wanted 33", I should go 4.10? Or 4.56 for extra ump?

I would definitely recommend the 4.56 if you wheel.

I only actually get out to wheeling 4 or 5 times a year and drive my jeep everyday and the 4.56's arent causing me any issues or annoyances while driving it everyday. (and im still on 31's until they wear out and i get 33's)

When i do get out to wheel or need to pull into busy traffic It Jumps up and moves !
I haven't gotten a speeding ticket since my gears went in though because it feels great at legal highway speed and passes just fine but feels a bit over revved if i were to run at a passing speed or beyond for an extended period.

I know im going to miss the extra low end oomph when i get my 33's but my rig will be better off all around.

Bobnoxious is right though its personal preference or opinion on what will be best for you.
Some may even call me "crazy" (lol) for saying i didnt mind DD with 4.56 and my current 31". (not ideal but i kinda like it)

I also agree That since your at 4.10 spending good $ to go to 4.56 might be a bit wasteful unless you get a good deal on some gears or geared axles.

This makes the 4:1 Case a good option for more oomph on the trail.

If you want more oomph on the street 4.56 may be the way to go heck maybe even 4.88 .
You just need to realize Lower gearing takes from top speed and Mpg, How much are you willing to give for that low end initial oomph.

 

[bobnoxious]

Wow. Kick customers out of your shop huh? Never heard of "the customer is always right"

Even if they aren't right that is by far the shittiest attitude of a shop owner I've ever heard. After reading this I would NEVER give you an ounce of my money and I bet I'm not alone.

I don't really care if you are right on this issue or not. That attitude just plain sucks.

Wow...way to twist stuff around to make someone look bad, just so you feel warm and fuzzy about yourself.

Obviously you're one of those customers who needs their ego stroked, and to be assured they know everything.

Is it your normal practice to walk into a place of business and tell the (professional with many years of experience) owner he's crazy, and doesn't know what the hell he's talking about? If so, I don't want your money, and get the hell out of the way so the people in line behind you with fists full of money can use my services...you're holding up the works.

If a customer has opinions, concerns, and needs...I am certainly always willing to hear them and work with the customer to give him/her exactly what they want and need. If the OP came into my shop and asked me the merits of regearing from 4.10 to 4.56, I would advise that it's not worth it (god forbid I try to save someone money, and conduct my business honestly). If he/she then decided that it doesn't matter, he/she wants them...he/she would get them. If he/she told me I was crazy and didn't know what I was talking about, I would kick them out.

What part of this is unreasonable or hard for you to understand and accept? You're twisting wording and meaning around to make me look like something I'm not. Thanks for working so hard to make this a personal attack and pissing match...thought we were supposed to talk tech here...

 

[OutkastBoss]

"The customer is always right" never made any sense if they knew more than the professionals they wouldn't be customers.

I have ran and continue to help run a small business for around 5 years and i don't hesitate to tell ppl that im not interested in their business .
Some people feel very entitled and feel that being borderline abusive to a company or employee is ok if they get what they want .

me and my employees will not tolerate being goaded into doing work off the initial quote or treated as if they are our boss or someone with any authority to insult or fire ppl.

 

[MaxxXJ]

Here's my simple opinion, if you tow a trailer or take steep hill climbs a lot I would go to 4.56's, simply because your over geared and it will make it easier on the transmission, my buddy on 33's with 4.56 gears with trail gear pulling a small tent trailer up a hill does it easier than me loaded with trail gear with 31's and 3.55's... Now I do have a renix and he has a newer HO motor but gears did make a difference. With that said... If you go 4.56's ill take your 4.10's off your hands :gee:, ill even ship on my dime! Lol

 

[XJ jay]

Anyone gone from 4:10's to 4:56's with 33's? How much of a change is it? I did 4:10's from the start because I got such a good deal, just really been thinking about going to 4:56's but if its not gonna be that much of a change, then it might not be worth it.

It's wont be that much of a change to justify the cost. For people ranting about fuel milage, I got the same crappy milage with 33s and 3.55s as I do with 4.56s, the difference was my jeep was more drivable around the city and I was able to pass vehicles on the Hiway. I only wheeled once with 33s and 3.55s, it sucked, too much wheel speed and not enough control.

To the OP, why do you think you need more gear? Planning on 35s? Looking for more power and vehicle speed control on the trail. The suggestion of a 4:1 T case is brilliant if your looking for more gear off road but like your on road manners of your 4.10s. There are times where I wished I didn't have 4.56s due to my Hiway travel, but other then that I love em.

 

[MaxxXJ]

I only wheeled once with 33s and 3.55s, it sucked, too much wheel speed and not enough control.

.

What did you wheel in 4 high?! I have always wheeled with my 3.55's in 4 low and as long as you know how to drive with both feet you have absolutely no issues, it's a force of habit for me to drive with both feet cuz I drive heavy equipment that requires it, but idk I've never had an issue with 3.55's other than being a dog pulling something or hill climbs on the road

 

[ROBZ95Xj]

I only wheeled once with 33s and 3.55s, it sucked, too much wheel speed and not enough control.

learn how to drive? i wheeled well over a year with 33's and 3.55's with zero issues, its not that hard to adapt your driving style

 

[ktm racer 419]

Shitty gearing with an automatic is more bearable than shitty gearing with 3 pedals.

But anyway, hope I'm not stirring the pot too much by posting this. I ran 5.38s and 35s for years, driven every day, lots of miles put on em', completely loaded down with tools, spare parts, 3 dudes, camping gear, etc I got 15 mpg (calculated using gps at every fill up for a 10k mile road trip). I thought it was comfortable, I could cruise at 70 mph all day long, no reliability issues either. I would do it again.

 

[MoparManiac]

Prob cause your XJ weighed 5k lbs with all that shit :laugh:

Bob installed 4.88s in my D30 and D44 back in the day even though he didn't recommend it.

I didn't listen and on 33s I didn't find highway driving comfortable at all.

 

[DrMoab]

Wow...way to twist stuff around to make someone look bad, just so you feel warm and fuzzy about yourself.

Obviously you're one of those customers who needs their ego stroked, and to be assured they know everything.

Is it your normal practice to walk into a place of business and tell the (professional with many years of experience) owner he's crazy, and doesn't know what the hell he's talking about? If so, I don't want your money, and get the hell out of the way so the people in line behind you with fists full of money can use my services...you're holding up the works.

If a customer has opinions, concerns, and needs...I am certainly always willing to hear them and work with the customer to give him/her exactly what they want and need. If the OP came into my shop and asked me the merits of regearing from 4.10 to 4.56, I would advise that it's not worth it (god forbid I try to save someone money, and conduct my business honestly). If he/she then decided that it doesn't matter, he/she wants them...he/she would get them. If he/she told me I was crazy and didn't know what I was talking about, I would kick them out.

What part of this is unreasonable or hard for you to understand and accept? You're twisting wording and meaning around to make me look like something I'm not. Thanks for working so hard to make this a personal attack and pissing match...thought we were supposed to talk tech here...

I didn't have to work hard at all. You are doing that for me.

And no, I don't need my ego stroked when I walk into a shop but when I do I damn we'll expect the guy I plan on giving my hard earned money to listen to me, what I want and how I want it done. If I walk into your shop with a fist full of cash and ask you to regear my rig from 4:10 to 1 (happy Kastain) to 4:56 I don't expect an argument from you on why I shouldn't do it. Just shut up, take my money and make me a happy customer.

 

[ktm racer 419]

Prob cause your XJ weighed 5k lbs with all that shit :laugh:

Bob installed 4.88s in my D30 and D44 back in the day even though he didn't recommend it.

I didn't listen and on 33s I didn't find highway driving comfortable at all.

With no spare tire, and nothing in it (no carpet or headliner either) I weighed in at 4200 lbs at the truck pull. Im sure I was well over 5k lbs for that trip. That was the only time I cared to check my fuel milage.

 

[kastein]

If I walk into your shop with a fist full of cash and ask you to regear my rig from 4:10 to 1 (happy Kastain) to 4:56 I don't expect an argument from you on why I shouldn't do it. Just shut up, take my money and make me a happy customer.

you still did it wrong :wierd::moon:

4.10:1 or 4.56:1

DEM NUMBERS N SHIT R CONFUSING I KNOW (alright, I'm gonna stop nerd-spewing about this now, for real)

 

[bobnoxious]

I didn't have to work hard at all. You are doing that for me.

And no, I don't need my ego stroked when I walk into a shop but when I do I damn we'll expect the guy I plan on giving my hard earned money to listen to me, what I want and how I want it done. If I walk into your shop with a fist full of cash and ask you to regear my rig from 4:10 to 1 (happy Kastain) to 4:56 I don't expect an argument from you on why I shouldn't do it. Just shut up, take my money and make me a happy customer.

You don't get it, and you're still twisting it all around to mean something else entirely.

You're a tough guy with a bad attitude and a chip on your shoulder.

You're such a friggin expert, do it yourself. Take your money and stick it up your ass...I'm not in business to be abused by tough guys.

 

[kastein]

You know what annoys me about this argument? I've got a lot of respect for those on both sides and I can't really see why you're going at it like this.

That being said, I agree that spending $$$ on regearing from 4.10 to 4.56 is a bit silly, it's not all that big a change. What I'd do if I absolutely had to regear from 4.10 to 4.56 is buy a $200 pair of junkyard axles, probably a 95+ d30 and a 97+ 8.25, have them regeared to whatever I wanted, then swap my aftermarket goodies (cover, steering, brakes, shafts, whatever) off the 4.10 axles in the jeep onto the freshly geared axles, then sell off the 4.10 geared set to recover some cash. Depending on the local market you could pull $4-600 for a 4.10 set of bolt-in axles in good shape, more if they're locked, which would offset a good deal of the axle gearing costs, or at least start on covering the parts.

 

[cdrake261]

I would definitely recommend the 4.56 if you wheel.

I only actually get out to wheeling 4 or 5 times a year and drive my jeep everyday and the 4.56's arent causing me any issues or annoyances while driving it everyday.

would you still recommend 4.56 with 33" and a 4.0L stroker?