Is the Koran a 'holy' book?

[GrimmJeeper]

LMAO seriously.

 

[JNickel101]

No, but it would be a lot easier knowing who we were going after. How easy is it to find a masked **** in country full of them?

Pretty easy - thats why we should just kill them all. Otherwise, how do you really know if you got all the bad guys...

Oh thats right...

They're all bad guys anyway.

 

[JNickel101]

I've gotta disagree with the uniform thing. Funded militias wore uniforms later on, but self-sufficient reactionary forces (patriotic citizens) typically wore their everyday clothes. Guerilla warfare was what won those battles, too. I really don't see a difference between Revolutionary Patriots and Islamic militants. The weapons have certainly changed, but many of the tactics remain the same.

I agree with you 99.999999% of the time, and I'm not done reading this thread, so it may have been brought up later...

#1 I don't recall ever reading about Revolutionaries sailing to England and blowing up stuff on British soil to start the war.

#2 I don't recall ever reading about Revolutionaries killing their own citizens/population.

 

[JNickel101]

We killed the innocent, when does the security come in? Its been 62.5 years and we're still "living in terror" according to our own govt.

If you are referring to Japan, I wouldn't consider them "innocent" - their country declared war on us - we bombed their hundreds of thousands to prevent our hundreds of thousands from being killed. They were not innocent, but rather "non-combatants". Different issue.

 

[JNickel101]

I think this can be summed up pretty simply.....

Comparing flag burning to book shooting:

You burn the flag of the country you live in - get the hell out.

You burn the book that represents ANOTHER country's beliefs - stay the hell away from them.

Pretty simple....personally, you go to a bookstore and buy a Bible, Koran, or "Idiots Guide to _____", it is now your property and you are allowed to shoot it or wipe your butt with it.

IF you don't want someone to disgrace your book/flag/whatever, then don't sell it to the public, especially not in the country you have declared a holy war against.

 

[ECKSJAY]

I agree with you 99.999999% of the time, and I'm not done reading this thread, so it may have been brought up later...

#1 I don't recall ever reading about Revolutionaries sailing to England and blowing up stuff on British soil to start the war.

#2 I don't recall ever reading about Revolutionaries killing their own citizens/population.

Nah, I think you grabbed what I said outta context. I just meant the fierce fighting on home soil...not what actually started it.

 

[JNickel101]

Nah, I think you grabbed what I said outta context. I just meant the fierce fighting on home soil...not what actually started it.

Oh ok

oh and #3, Revolutionaries weren't out to kill EVERYONE except their own little militia army on behalf of "God"

 

[8Mud]

Not sure why you quoted me...I was remarking on Derrick's (besthaticouldo) post inw hich he first claims that religion is nothing but a bunch of lies but don't mess with that and disrespect it.

Originally Posted by Darky View Post
I wouldn't agree with that. But I also don't agree with shooting their Koran. I don't believe in Islam and Allah, I think they're wrong, but it's all about respect. SHow them the same respect I expect.

Meant to quote this one, I was speed reading and pushed the wrong quote button. I was actually agreeing with you in my own (sometimes odd) way.

 

[Darky]

hahaha....i didn't mean any offense by it. but he took a shot at someones holy book, figured he wouldnt like it when someone did the same to his. granted its pretty much as i look at it...lol

but i dont usually get in religious arguements because people get so heated and cant have a calm conversation...

Yeah, both sides can be a bit "overzealous" in the defense of their side.

Originally Posted by Darky View Post
I wouldn't agree with that. But I also don't agree with shooting their Koran. I don't believe in Islam and Allah, I think they're wrong, but it's all about respect. SHow them the same respect I expect.

Meant to quote this one, I was speed reading and pushed the wrong quote button. I was actually agreeing with you in my own (sometimes odd) way.

Ah, I see. Makes more sense now...

 

[Rod Knee]

Pretty easy - thats why we should just kill them all. Otherwise, how do you really know if you got all the bad guys...

Oh thats right...

They're all bad guys anyway.

Heil Hitler!!!

 

[JNickel101]

Heil Hitler!!!

Funny, I don't remember the Jews attacking Germany....

you're comparing apples to paperclips....

 

[Ralph]

Funny, I don't remember the Jews attacking Germany....

you're comparing apples to paperclips....

I think he's referring to Hitler's "final solution" of genocide to what he called the Jewish problem.

Is it your suggestion that we kill all Muslims to solve the terrorist problem?

 

[Rod Knee]

I don't remember being attacked by all Muslims.

 

[JNickel101]

Really? What were they then? Buddhist? Taoist Monks?

All 19 hijackers were Muslim. So was the lead planner....and least we forget the "leader" himself....

What's your arguement?

Hitler's final solution was due to a non-existant problem. The Jews never attacked Germany or killed German civilians.

Muslim extremists attacked the US, on our soil...

Apples vs Paperclips (or any two other non-related objects you would like to pick).

....and IIRC, Hitler wanted to kill pretty much anyone who wasn't a Nazi or Nazi ally. Not just the Jews. I wouldn't call China our ally, but I'm not suggesting we kill them too....

 

[Rod Knee]

Really? What were they then? Buddhist? Taoist Monks?

All 19 hijackers were Muslim. So was the lead planner....and least we forget the "leader" himself....

What's your arguement?

Hitler's final solution was due to a non-existant problem. The Jews never attacked Germany or killed German civilians.

Muslim extremists attacked the US, on our soil...

Apples vs Paperclips (or any two other non-related objects you would like to pick).

....and IIRC, Hitler wanted to kill pretty much anyone who wasn't a Nazi or Nazi ally. Not just the Jews. I wouldn't call China our ally, but I'm not suggesting we kill them too....

Since you have pretended that some basic logic surpasses your comprehension, I’ll act as though it is necessary for me to spoon feed it to you. Yes, as far as I know, all those involved with the 911 attacks as wells as many other terrorist actions in recent history were practioners of Islam, at least nominally. The failure of logic is in asserting that we were attacked by all Moslims, or even that all Moslims were sympathetic to the attackers (see attachment). But you already knew that.

One can only speculate as to why you need to feign such ignorance. Perhaps it is because you are just too intellectually lazy to attempt to understand the world in anything other than in terms of black and white . Was Timothy McVey a Moslim? Perhaps the shortcoming is mine for attempting to reason with an individual who has advocated genocide, if even facetiously, and when given the chance, has chosen not only to not back off of his proposition, but to defend it, however weakly. I have to shake my head at being the only one to call you out.

Setting any consideration to morality or ethics for the moment, sentiments such as those you have expressed to a worldwide audience over the internet can only play into the hands of extremists in the Islamic world. We have service personnel in the Middle-east heroically working to win over the hearts and minds of the local populations. Would you purposefully compromise their efforts? Do you wish to alienate any moderate Arabs (including Arab-Americans) that may be working behind the scenes on our behalf, utilizing their special knowledge of the language and culture?

Statements such as your glib remarks about a “co-worker” wanting to off the President -elect could potentially have the FCC or the FBI crawling up ’s asshole so far it will never feel right again. It is hard for me to understand why you are not censored. Shame on you.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

 

[JNickel101]

Statements such as your glib remarks about a “co-worker” wanting to off the President -elect could potentially have the FCC or the FBI crawling up ’s asshole so far it will never feel right again. It is hard for me to understand why you are not censored. Shame on you.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

You'd have to refresh my feeble, short term memory about saying my co-worker wanted to off the Prez....

For the rest of your statement, I understand your point of view - and yes, I do realize that there are other terrorists out there besides the Muslims (or "Moslim" as you call them - either spelling is beyond your reach or you're tinfoil hat is causing you to purposely attempt to avoid coming up in some sort of worldwide internet search)

But...I'm referring to the current war we are in - it isn't against al-Q, or the Taliban, or any other "extremist group". Wake up. Please.

And yes, shame on me. wl: Please take my 1st Amendment Rights away....

 

[Boatwrench]

Yes after a long day at the range.

 

[Ralph]

You'd have to refresh my feeble, short term memory about saying my co-worker wanted to off the Prez....

For the rest of your statement, I understand your point of view - and yes, I do realize that there are other terrorists out there besides the Muslims (or "Moslim" as you call them - either spelling is beyond your reach or you're tinfoil hat is causing you to purposely attempt to avoid coming up in some sort of worldwide internet search)

But...I'm referring to the current war we are in - it isn't against al-Q, or the Taliban, or any other "extremist group". Wake up. Please.

And yes, shame on me. wl: Please take my 1st Amendment Rights away....

There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the world today. We are not at war with all of them. Not all are our enemies. Many are not only on our side, they are us. I'm talking about the many US citizens who practice Islam. Your suggestion that we kill them all is hate mongering and un-America.

 

[GSequoia]

I have to shake my head at being the only one to call you out.

That's because most of us who are so inclined have said it so many times in the past that we're tired of the struggle. Let it be said now that the idea that the eradication of Islam is not the goal of all members here, in fact not most of them I'd say.

Statements such as your glib remarks about a “co-worker” wanting to off the President -elect could potentially have the FCC or the FBI crawling up ’s asshole so far it will never feel right again. It is hard for me to understand why you are not censored. Shame on you.

Assassination "Jokes" and other such comments are not tolerated on , this is one of the many reasons.

 

[Rod Knee]

JNickel, I went back to thee thread were you made mention of your coworker wanting to "blow" the pres-elect. It does appear I misinterpreted your meaning so shame on me, even though it was a thread on firearms.

But just a few posts up in this thread, you were talking about 911 in making the statement: "Muslim extremists attacked the US, on our soil...". Shame on you for trying to cloud the issue. And speaking of a lack of clarity, you might want to review your assertion that we are not in a conflict with Al-Q/Taliban.