Is the Koran a 'holy' book?

[ECKSJAY]

Ok I dont think what I said applied to that time in history. And those who lined up and just stood there while being shot at were idiots.

Well why not? Can you explain your position?

 

[cal]

Ok I dont think what I said applied to that time in history. And those who lined up and just stood there while being shot at were idiots.

What you said applies to all times in history. Either you stand up and fight like a man, or you hide like a hillbilly.

Americans come from the hillbilly way.

 

[Darky]

In order for you to think they are wrong, you have to believe in them. You may not support them..

I do believe in Muslims. They are real, see them on a daily basis... However I believe their choice of belief is wrong...

 

[ECKSJAY]

What you said applies to all times in history. Either you stand up and fight like a man, or you hide like a hillbilly.

Americans come from the hillbilly way.

Git'r dun? :roflmao:

 

[Darky]

Well why not? Can you explain your position?

What you said applies to all times in history. Either you stand up and fight like a man, or you hide like a hillbilly.

Americans come from the hillbilly way.

I think the difference comes in from actually fighting and wearing some sort of uniform, which the militia did, vs looking like everybody else, and hiding your face when you make your threats. Then blowing yourself up while gving no signs that you are an enemy combatant. We looked different from the regular townsfolk in that we carried guns and most of the men fighting for us wore a uniform. The terrorists wear regular clothes with bombs underneath. When they videotape themselves to taunt us or threaten us, they cover their faces so no one can see who they are.

 

[.40CalPatriot]

Well why not? Can you explain your position?

Back then we did not have an "organized millitary" and the technoligies that we do have in this day and age ie. military uniforms and bullet proof vests etc. We also didnt use women and children to preform suicide bombings. We also didnt lay bombs by the side of the road that were layed irresponsibly that could kill anyone. The difference is there was not alot of resources and money back then as there is today.

 

[cal]

Back then we did not have an "organized millitary"

Are you sure about that? Get the basic facts right and come back, because when you build an argument on a foundation of BS, it won't go very far.

 

[.40CalPatriot]

Are you sure about that? Get the basic facts right and come back, because when you build an argument on a foundation of BS, it won't go very far.

By orgainzed I mean money and resources as I stated later on in my post.

 

[cal]

By orgainzed I mean money and resources as I stated later on in my post.

so, because we didn't have bulletproof vests, it was okay for us to hide in trees and not stand up like our opponents?

what if terrorists don't have bulletproof vests?

 

[ECKSJAY]

I think the difference comes in from actually fighting and wearing some sort of uniform, which the militia did, vs looking like everybody else, and hiding your face when you make your threats. Then blowing yourself up while gving no signs that you are an enemy combatant. We looked different from the regular townsfolk in that we carried guns and most of the men fighting for us wore a uniform. The terrorists wear regular clothes with bombs underneath. When they videotape themselves to taunt us or threaten us, they cover their faces so no one can see who they are.

I've gotta disagree with the uniform thing. Funded militias wore uniforms later on, but self-sufficient reactionary forces (patriotic citizens) typically wore their everyday clothes. Guerilla warfare was what won those battles, too. I really don't see a difference between Revolutionary Patriots and Islamic militants. The weapons have certainly changed, but many of the tactics remain the same.

 

[.40CalPatriot]

so, because we didn't have bulletproof vests, it was okay for us to hide in trees and not stand up like our opponents?

what if terrorists don't have bulletproof vests?

I never said! What I meant was it was a whole different time period with a whole different type of warfare and technolgies that affected how things were done.

 

[Darky]

I've gotta disagree with the uniform thing. Funded militias wore uniforms later on, but self-sufficient reactionary forces (patriotic citizens) typically wore their everyday clothes. Guerilla warfare was what won those battles, too. I really don't see a difference between Revolutionary Patriots and Islamic militants. The weapons have certainly changed, but many of the tactics remain the same.

Somewhere I got the idea we had uniforms, like the Colonial militia or something. As I always say, there's a very good chance I'm wrong. For me I just don't like the whole bit with blowing yourself up in a crowded market or using a woman or child to do it. Or hiding in/fighting from a mosque because you know we will respect your place of worship.

 

[.40CalPatriot]

I've gotta disagree with the uniform thing. Funded militias wore uniforms later on, but self-sufficient reactionary forces (patriotic citizens) typically wore their everyday clothes. Guerilla warfare was what won those battles, too. I really don't see a difference between Revolutionary Patriots and Islamic militants. The weapons have certainly changed, but many of the tactics remain the same.

Somewhere I got the idea we had uniforms, like the Colonial militia or something. As I always say, there's a very good chance I'm wrong. For me I just don't like the whole bit with blowing yourself up in a crowded market or using a woman or child to do it. Or hiding in/fighting from a mosque because you know we will respect your place of worship.

What I believe we are trying to say is for the most part during the Rev. War the "majority" of the fighting was not done in towns and around a lot of civilians. However today many bombings and violence is being commited around large areas of innocent civilains. They are intentionaly using civilians to make a statement and protect themselves.

 

[cal]

I never said! What I meant was it was a whole different time period with a whole different type of warfare and technolgies that affected how things were done.

Its exactly what you said! Almost word for word!


We hid in trees and grass and shot British soldiers. They called us patriots. The British lined up and marched as a unit, as it was the 'honorable' thing to do.

They hide in churches and use women to attack Americans with rifles and explosives. We don't attack the churches and women because its the honorable thing to do.

The only thing you got correct is that the technology changed.

 

[GSequoia]

However what you aren't taking into consideration is that war has evolved to being mostly urban since the days of World War II.

This is why we no longer use rifles that are four feet long and sighted to 2,000 yards.

 

[ECKSJAY]

Somewhere I got the idea we had uniforms, like the Colonial militia or something. As I always say, there's a very good chance I'm wrong.

Yeah there were all kinds of uniforms around at the time...but they also didn't have the resources we have to drive to a base during a call-up. Traveling miles took a bit of marching and uniforms cost money.

For me I just don't like the whole bit with blowing yourself up in a crowded market or using a woman or child to do it. Or hiding in/fighting from a mosque because you know we will respect your place of worship.

I don't care for it, either...I also have even less respect for them as a whole when there aren't any widespread denouncements of 'extremist' actions. The most I've seen equates to 'oh that's just my crazy Uncle...he's always been that way.' :eyes:

 

[CherBear]

And get prosecuted for a "hate crime"? Yarightmkthxbye

Get prosecuted? Where the hell do you live? You can shoot what ever you want in America.

 

[cal]

Get prosecuted? Where the hell do you live? You can shoot what ever you want in America.

I'd like to see your america.

 

[Darky]

Get prosecuted? Where the hell do you live? You can shoot what ever you want in America.

If you're white you can't shoot anyone except another white guy without it being classified a hate crime, and even then that white guy better be straight or that's a hate crime too.

 

[Darky]

The most I've seen equates to 'oh that's just my crazy Uncle...he's always been that way.' :eyes:

Hahahaha