I just got a $535 ticket

[tjs88xj]

Original Poster- I have 2 lawyers names if youre interested. Both are good, one is hundred bucks more, but actually shows up for your court date. One is 250 and the other 350. I'd go that route rather than lining the states pockets.

 

[CanMan]

You only have to have a rear bumper if it was standard from the factory. There are trucks out there where a bumper is optional from the factory. My '72 Chevy was that way, I got pulled over for no rear bumper, I told the officer it was an option for these trucks, he said 'oh' and let me be on my merry way.

Im sure someone has time to look up the RCW.

 

[.40CalPatriot]

I didn't realize Troy was up on WA State traffic code. My bad. Carry on.

I never said that he was. I merely posted it because of what was said below. Key words, "on Naxja to add a point of view"

Out of curiousity do we have any po po's in this chapter or on Naxja to add a point of view, I would like to hear it.

 

[ECKSJAY]

I never said that he was. I merely posted it because of what was said below. Key words, "on Naxja to add a point of view"

Why are you getting so upset? I apologized.

 

[.40CalPatriot]

Why are you getting so upset? I apologized.

I am lost. No worries!

 

[seth0941]

You only have to have a rear bumper if it was standard from the factory. There are trucks out there where a bumper is optional from the factory. My '72 Chevy was that way, I got pulled over for no rear bumper, I told the officer it was an option for these trucks, he said 'oh' and let me be on my merry way.

Im sure someone has time to look up the RCW.

WAC 204-10-022

No agency filings affecting this section since 2003Body requirements.




(6) Bumpers: A motor vehicle must be equipped with a bumper on both the front and rear of the vehicle with the exception of motor vehicles where the original or predominant body configuration, provided by a recognized manufacturer, did not include such bumper or bumpers in the design of the vehicle. For the relevant model year, bumpers must accommodate recognized manufacturer impact absorption systems pursuant to applicable SAE Bumper Standards or equivalent standards.

Bumpers are optional equipment on vehicles defined as street rods and kit vehicles by the Washington state patrol vehicle inspectors.

Bumpers, unless specifically exempted above, must:

(a) Be at least four and one-half inches in vertical height.

(b) Be centered on the vehicle's centerline.

(c) Extend no less than the width of the respective wheel track distances.

(d) Be attached to the vehicle in a manner equivalent to the original manufacturer's installation.

(e) Be horizontal load bearing and attach to the vehicle frame to effectively transfer energy when impacted.

(f) Be mounted at a maximum height based on the original gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle, measured from a level surface to the highest point on the bottom of the bumper. For vehicles exempted from the bumper requirement for the reasons stated above, a maximum frame elevation measurement must be made to the bottom of the frame rail. Maximum heights are as follows:


FrontBackPassenger Vehicles

22 Inches22 Inches4,500 lbs. and under GVWR24 Inches26 Inches4,501 lbs. to 7,500 lbs. GVWR27 Inches29 Inches7,501 lbs. and over GVWR28 Inches30 Inches
A blocker beam or additional bumper may not be used to meet the above requirements.

(g) If an existing bumper from a recognized manufacturer is not used and a special bumper is fabricated, it must be certified as meeting the bumper standards set under 49 CFR 581.

 

[CanMan]

(6) Bumpers: A motor vehicle must be equipped with a bumper on both the front and rear of the vehicle with the exception of motor vehicles where the original or predominant body configuration, provided by a recognized manufacturer, did not include such bumper or bumpers in the design of the vehicle. For the relevant model year, bumpers must accommodate recognized manufacturer impact absorption systems pursuant to applicable SAE Bumper Standards or equivalent standards.

Looks like I was right on that one.

(g) If an existing bumper from a recognized manufacturer is not used and a special bumper is fabricated, it must be certified as meeting the bumper standards set under 49 CFR 581.

So any aftermarket bumper, besides an ARB(which is DOT approved IIRC), is illegal, unless it meets the requirements.

 

[Muddy Beast]

So any aftermarket bumper, besides an ARB(which is DOT approved IIRC), is illegal, unless it meets the requirements.

Wow all this legal stuff sucks. Great info though! I seariously searched the Washington web site over and over again and could not find anything useful for info on what is and is not illegal on the Jeep, I'm glad this thread started up. It's just unforunate how this thread was started. Every cop I pass stares at my rig, but so far I've gotten lucky and have gotten off with only minor traffic infraction warnings.

~Scott

 

[fubar XJ]

You only have to have a rear bumper if it was standard from the factory. There are trucks out there where a bumper is optional from the factory. My '72 Chevy was that way, I got pulled over for no rear bumper, I told the officer it was an option for these trucks, he said 'oh' and let me be on my merry way.

Im sure someone has time to look up the RCW.

That was it, I knew I'd heard the reason before. Still complete bullshit IMO. How can you justify having a vehicle be legal with no rear bumper, yet ticket the guy who's flares don't completely cover the tires?

Complete and utter nonsense.

 

[Bruno™]

I dont have flaps, but Im glad that I remounted my stock flares higher up in order to keep the tire coverage legal. They may pop off here and there on the trail, but its better than a ticket while on the road.

-Lyle

 

[JBweld]

good thing my front bumper is an ARB :shhh:

 

[dellstopjeep]

Well I'm an Oregon “Po po” as you so eloquently put it. I can tell you that the Oregon Vehicle Code is a large book, and I don’t know a very large portion of it. I’m not on patrol anymore, and when I was I didn’t write very many tickets. The problem I see with “Traffic Nazi” Officers is that they are not concerned with public safety anymore. They simply want to write as many tickets as they can in a shift. From what I’ve seen the majority of Police Officers that are not assigned to traffic enforcement are looking for warrants, drug traffickers, etc. They are the ones that will stop you for what seems like a lame reason, see that you are not a serial killer, and send you on your way. The Traffic Nazi will stop you for no license plate light, and pick your rig apart for any possible violations. They will write you up for everything, and even if you were a serial killer, they would not notice the glad bag of body parts in the back seat because that investigation would take away their ticket writing time for the rest of their shift.

Another factor to some of these tickets being written has to do with generating revenue. I don’t agree with that, I think that public safety is the reason we have Police. Unfortunately some public officials see traffic enforcement as just another source of funding. That attitude can also lead to overzealous ticket writing.

One thing you do have to realize is that traffic laws were not written because legislators had nothing better to do. Mud flap and fender requirements exist because too many people or the wrong person got a rock kicked up on their windshield. So the only way to prevent getting written up is to make you rig conform to the vehicle code. If you get a ticket, fix the problem and try to get it dropped, or at least reduced.

I don’t agree with using traffic laws to extort money from the public. I would suggest if you are the victim of this extortion then contact the head of the department that bent you over and respectfully express your view on these tactics.



I hate people who try to create an us against them situation because of their own self entitled view that they are not subject to the laws of the land.

I didnt think there was any 5-0's in this chapter so I apologize for the slang terms used. I guess 5-0 was a bad idea to, shieet! But the thing that gets me is I have had every windshield cracked on all my rigs from rocks from semi
trucks, do they get ticketed, doubt it although I do see a lot pulled over. I guess im just a bitter A hole and need to move on. I will be back to complain next summer when doors come off and I get nailed

 

[NickThePyro]

The part that ticks me the most is the police is a business. They no longer are to "serve and protect" but are to collect revenue for the state. Its a sad but true truth.

Knowing Nick I would say no, but this cop is notorious for being EXTREMELY anal about everything (I'm from the same area). Yes, he is doing his job, but there is a point when it gets a little excessive and he definitely is on a power trip.

-Adam

Nope, i'm a really safe good driver. I just speed but I can control my speeding. No loud music, stock exhause, no tint, always use blinkers, stay in my lane, never race, dont tail gate, etc.

Power trip is an understatement.

Adam today at school I had almost 100 people ask me about my ticket, word spead fast I guess.

I hate cops, they need to focus on the crack heads that prowl cars and molest kids.

AMEN!!! My best friend had his house broken into and a LOADED GUN, yes a loaded gun, was stolen and they called the cops. 3 hours later a cop stroles in ask some questions and just leaves.

So any aftermarket bumper, besides an ARB(which is DOT approved IIRC), is illegal, unless it meets the requirements.

I have an ARB and bushwackers, I tried to make it as legal as possible. I just got the ARB 2 weeks ago and have not had time to fab up some brackets for a plate yet.

Nick what's your Jeeps setup? Got a pic?

This is a pic from today

and you can see my flares completely cover the tire. I bet the cop drives a civic

 

[IXNAYXJ]

They will write you up for everything, and even if you were a serial killer, they would not notice the glad bag of body parts in the back seat because that investigation would take away their ticket writing time for the rest of their shift.

This is perhaps what bothers me most about folks like "Deputy Dan" who partols Evans Creek.

-----Matt-----

 

[Metal Thrasher]

The part that ticks me the most is the police is a business. They no longer are to "serve and protect" but are to collect revenue for the state. Its a sad but true truth.


Nope, i'm a really safe good driver. I just speed but I can control my speeding. No loud music, stock exhause, no tint, always use blinkers, stay in my lane, never race, dont tail gate, etc.

Power trip is an understatement.

Adam today at school I had almost 100 people ask me about my ticket, word spead fast I guess.


AMEN!!! My best friend had his house broken into and a LOADED GUN, yes a loaded gun, was stolen and they called the cops. 3 hours later a cop stroles in ask some questions and just leaves.


I have an ARB and bushwackers, I tried to make it as legal as possible. I just got the ARB 2 weeks ago and have not had time to fab up some brackets for a plate yet.




This is a pic from today

and you can see my flares completely cover the tire. I bet the cop drives a civic

I must say your rig is cleaner and way more compliant than I expected. Usually the rigs I see pulled over are way more cobbled together (like mine). Either that or horseing around on the street. Keep ot clean!

 

[NickThePyro]

I must say your rig is cleaner and way more compliant than I expected. Usually the rigs I see pulled over are way more cobbled together (like mine). Either that or horseing around on the street. Keep ot clean!

Thanks

 

[treadlightly08]

I was looking at my dad's new kia sportage, the factory flaps hang down 4 or 5 inches from the ground, and the flares stick out 2 inches from the tires. I would like a police officer's opinion as to why all the new full sized trucks don't get pulled over for their lack of flares and flaps.

 

[mud1059]

Sell those gay ass rims for the $500

 

[XJSlater]

:laugh2:

 

[Doyle]

I also noticed that very rarely do you hear from people driving their new trucks that are lifted with no flares, no mudflaps, etc. bumpers way over legal limits, headlights higher than legal and they rarely get pulled over for equipment violations.

I will tell you this I can drive my buddies '06 dodge 2500 with 8" of lift 22's and 37's down the road and not get pulled over, hell cops generally give me a second glance, the only time I ever got pulled over was for "fogging" with it (big clouds of black smoke are fun) It is not even close to legal in Washington according to the laws posted, but I personally have never got a second glace driving up there.

My jeep on the other hand I get pulled over in Oregon for no fender flares/mudflaps and no front plate. Only gotten a fix it ticket, but still I am curious why the discrepency between who is getting pulled over.

I used to routinely drive new cars, lifted lowered stock etc. fairly long distances, sometimes driving like an asshat, and never had issues, but get into an older rig Jeep/civic/mustang etc. and see how quick you get pulled over.

My favorite thing was getting pulled over in my old bosses mercedes, the stops typically went something like this
officer: are you x the owner of the car?
me: no, why did you pull me over?
officer: I ran the plate and the registered owner has a suspended liscense
me: ok, I have a liscnese, insurance, am not drunk, anything else you need? Out of curiousity why did you run the plate?
officer: thats all i needed was to see you had a valid liscense, have a good day drive safe.

Why was the plate being ran in the first place if I never once got cited for a ticket but got pulled over weekly for over a year?

Two largest gangs in the world, cops and firemen.