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DrMoab said:
...but my ultimate...either a '69 Hurst/Olds or a '56 BMW 507. Ahhhhhh....
*wiping drool from chin*
Holy Crap!! A $3million car!!!
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...but my ultimate...either a '69 Hurst/Olds or a '56 BMW 507. Ahhhhhh....
*wiping drool from chin*
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This is a bad thread. My imagination is going crazy...
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Gil BullyKatz said:This thread is useless without a couple of million in disposable cash....
I gotta play more lotto...
or a drastic career change
Break out the ski masks and kevlar...
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For sentimental reasons ... a real Ford GT40 Mk III.
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I think it brought $3m due to the F-88 "concept" status ...
I owned a pristine '65 442 w/muncie 4-speed, 3.90 12-bolt GM.... and also a '69 442 in another life. Oldsmobiles never got any respect as a serious muscle car and therefore are at the bottom of the value chain.
I owned a pristine '65 442 w/muncie 4-speed, 3.90 12-bolt GM.... and also a '69 442 in another life. Oldsmobiles never got any respect as a serious muscle car and therefore are at the bottom of the value chain.
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There's a reason why they say, "This is not your father's Oldsmobile."bchulett said:
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The 70-71 Olds Cutlass SX notch-back was probably the most unrecognized muscle car in history ... they came with all the good stuff and if you rolled up next to one in a street Hemi, chances are grandpa would blow your doors off ....
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bchulett said:
Ouch. You hurt my soul with that one...but you're right. Though, you think the Olds was below the Buick on the muscle car hierarchy? I think a Hurst or the 442 got more respect than the GS...but then, I'm a bit biased...
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The Buick Stage 1 was more popular due to the media ... has nothing to do with capability.
I loved my '65 442 ... that car was kinda ugly sitting next to a '70 Duster 340 six pack or a '70 Stang w/351, but I would kick their ass every time.
I loved my '65 442 ... that car was kinda ugly sitting next to a '70 Duster 340 six pack or a '70 Stang w/351, but I would kick their ass every time.
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bchulett said:
I drove a '73 Stage 1 w/ the 4-spd. Wasn't all that impressed. The Olds 455 felt so much stronger. Loved that Hurst.
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What year Hurst or 442 ? ... keep in mind in '73 all the muscle cars were choked due to the smog and insurance crackdown...
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ultimate toy? toss up between a 66 Shelby Cobra SC427 or a 70 El Camino SS LS-6... or maybe a 70 GSX stage-1
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Man I would take my old 75 2 door Dart Swinger special back any day....Slant six,manual four speed. Vomit green. Best car I ever had. Dad gave it to me for my first car and I did everything...and I mean everything to destroy that car. Nothing worked.
Looking back now I realized that car was way more reliable then anything I have owned since.
Looking back now I realized that car was way more reliable then anything I have owned since.
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DrMoab said:
thats like my 1st car.. 77 Volare' slant 6.. beat the snot out of it and it just ran better every day.. the body fell off of it though..
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bchulett said:
Valid point. I really don't consider anything a muscle car past '72. Besides, the body styles changed pretty drastically in '73, also.
The 442 was a '70, I think...It was so long ago. 'course, it wasn't mine. The only muscle car I "had" (my father's actually) was a '68 Goat convertible. Not in the family anymore, unfortunately.
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I live right next to Sun City AZ, (you know where all the old folks go and play golf till they die) and you would not BELIVE the cars I see. I saw a SUPER BEE being driven at 10MPH by a lady that was so old she couldnt see over the steering wheel! And that was just on my way to work this morning.
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It's interesting to read the thread, and the comments, considering my father called me Saturday night to tell me about the Old's and general disbelief about the prices the Auction was bringing.
There are more than a few retired people making excellent incomes from restorations and custom rebuilds of muscle cars. The collectible car market received a good boost from the pricing this year.
The Old's was Harley Earls project to sell to GM, after Bill Mitchell suceeded to sell the Corvette as a production car. The Old's failed to get GM BOD approval, and was thought to be destroyed, so it's a true factory one-off production (not too many of those around).
The Hemi Cuda fee (last year, IIRC) was so much because of the year and docmentation. There was no question of the originality.
There are more Hemi Cuda's (W30 442's, Judge GTO's, Superbird's, 427 GT500KR's, LS6 Chevelles, Injected Corvettes, and AAR Cuda's) on the road now than the factory ever assembled. The clone rage has invaded nearly every premere muscle car, and many are passed off as original option cars.
The clone thing is so out of hand that a family friend who owns a 64 Shelby Mustang has been accused of owning a car that does not exist. He has all the documentation from Ford and Shelby for this notchback, including the blueprint & dyno pull records from the engine, and the shipping records from Ford to Shelby to the dealer. It appears that so few Shelby Mustangs were built, before the GT350 (actual Shelby as the Manufacturer) deal was inked that few examples exist of the early cars, but clones are common. The few people who do have documented cars have been asked to keep the paperwork out of circulation to preserve the authenticity (to prevent clone car builders from cloning the documentation). The owner now tells people who have questions that the car is just a good example of an early custom (and he neglects to mention the customizer was Shelby's shop). He has no plans to sell, so why invite speculation?
There are more than a few retired people making excellent incomes from restorations and custom rebuilds of muscle cars. The collectible car market received a good boost from the pricing this year.
The Old's was Harley Earls project to sell to GM, after Bill Mitchell suceeded to sell the Corvette as a production car. The Old's failed to get GM BOD approval, and was thought to be destroyed, so it's a true factory one-off production (not too many of those around).
The Hemi Cuda fee (last year, IIRC) was so much because of the year and docmentation. There was no question of the originality.
There are more Hemi Cuda's (W30 442's, Judge GTO's, Superbird's, 427 GT500KR's, LS6 Chevelles, Injected Corvettes, and AAR Cuda's) on the road now than the factory ever assembled. The clone rage has invaded nearly every premere muscle car, and many are passed off as original option cars.
The clone thing is so out of hand that a family friend who owns a 64 Shelby Mustang has been accused of owning a car that does not exist. He has all the documentation from Ford and Shelby for this notchback, including the blueprint & dyno pull records from the engine, and the shipping records from Ford to Shelby to the dealer. It appears that so few Shelby Mustangs were built, before the GT350 (actual Shelby as the Manufacturer) deal was inked that few examples exist of the early cars, but clones are common. The few people who do have documented cars have been asked to keep the paperwork out of circulation to preserve the authenticity (to prevent clone car builders from cloning the documentation). The owner now tells people who have questions that the car is just a good example of an early custom (and he neglects to mention the customizer was Shelby's shop). He has no plans to sell, so why invite speculation?
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Ed, you make some valid points. Your friend is fortunate to have documentation proving he has a true relic.
Since I have a Race Hemi clone, I feel a little guilty after reading your commentary. There's two ways of looking at the clone market. 1) it allows common folk to get close to owning the dreamcar from their past. 2) it keeps the real ones well preserved for future generations to enjoy.
Plus it has a side benefit of increasing the value of all that rusty old iron.
Unfortunately, like in any capitalistic system, there are common criminals that take advantage of people by passing off fakes as the real thing. It's not isloated to cloned muscle cars, its a global problem with all products. Read the current issue of Business Week.
The demand is so great, they're actually re-popping the whole '69 Camaro unibody now. And as I understand it, there's more to come ....
Since I have a Race Hemi clone, I feel a little guilty after reading your commentary. There's two ways of looking at the clone market. 1) it allows common folk to get close to owning the dreamcar from their past. 2) it keeps the real ones well preserved for future generations to enjoy.
Plus it has a side benefit of increasing the value of all that rusty old iron.
Unfortunately, like in any capitalistic system, there are common criminals that take advantage of people by passing off fakes as the real thing. It's not isloated to cloned muscle cars, its a global problem with all products. Read the current issue of Business Week.
The demand is so great, they're actually re-popping the whole '69 Camaro unibody now. And as I understand it, there's more to come ....
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I guess I've never really been that big a purist in regards to vehicles. As much as I appreciate a rare find, I just enjoy the time and effort put into the restoration/upkeep of a fine old automobile.
Case in point...in NY, my mother is still in possession of a '63 Ford Galaxie 500XL convertible. Somewhat rare, far as I can tell, since I am having an exceptionally difficult time finding any mention of the 500XL convertibles online (not that I'm using that as my ONLY indicator, but all signs so far point to rare, but not necessarily desirable). Anyway, onto my point:
This car is not stock. The engine is not original, nor is the rear-end, or parts of the interior. I think it was swapped over to a floor-shift. She is trying to bring it back from the grave, but realizes it will never be stock. It's just a pretty cruisin' machine. I figure, if it ain't stock, it's easier to keep going. It allows you to put your own personal touch on it (no hoopties, though : -) )
I forget where I was going with this. I think I'm rambling. I think I'm tired...I think I need a beer...
I think I think too much.
Case in point...in NY, my mother is still in possession of a '63 Ford Galaxie 500XL convertible. Somewhat rare, far as I can tell, since I am having an exceptionally difficult time finding any mention of the 500XL convertibles online (not that I'm using that as my ONLY indicator, but all signs so far point to rare, but not necessarily desirable). Anyway, onto my point:
This car is not stock. The engine is not original, nor is the rear-end, or parts of the interior. I think it was swapped over to a floor-shift. She is trying to bring it back from the grave, but realizes it will never be stock. It's just a pretty cruisin' machine. I figure, if it ain't stock, it's easier to keep going. It allows you to put your own personal touch on it (no hoopties, though : -) )
I forget where I was going with this. I think I'm rambling. I think I'm tired...I think I need a beer...
I think I think too much.
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Some of the rappers out there have good tastes...check out Funkmaster Flex. But then he also falls victim to bling in other vehicles.
As far as my dream car, I couldn't really tell ya. I have too many that I love. Maybe a Don Yenko big-block Nova...Just because a review/article I read about Yenko talking about how you couldn't give them things full-throttle unless you were at like highway speeds or else the rear would get squirrely. I don't mind clones all that much either, I respect the work put into owning your dream car...
As far as my dream car, I couldn't really tell ya. I have too many that I love. Maybe a Don Yenko big-block Nova...Just because a review/article I read about Yenko talking about how you couldn't give them things full-throttle unless you were at like highway speeds or else the rear would get squirrely. I don't mind clones all that much either, I respect the work put into owning your dream car...