you still didn't answer this. If you are going to argue the point, at least prove me wrong so I shut up.
GUNS & AMMO
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YELLAHEEP
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It's still gun control. What we have in place is gun control. Requiring the governing of gun safety is just more of it.
I still say nay-nay. Can't envision any version of this that would change my position.
I still say nay-nay. Can't envision any version of this that would change my position.
And chris, to your post I ask the same thing I asked troy. Where in our setup that everyone wants to leave alone, is there unalienable/natural god given rights? They must be hiding behind all the laws and rules and requirements right?
I already posed that the big issue is who runs it, who controls it. That is obvious with any sort of power over anyone else. Who can you "trust" to make sure it is as fair as possible.
I already posed that the big issue is who runs it, who controls it. That is obvious with any sort of power over anyone else. Who can you "trust" to make sure it is as fair as possible.
so what if gun control (you cant have this or this or this) was lifted in way of, you can, but you have to show competency.
You win. You have the right to buy whatever ya want. So long as you pass knowing the laws in the state you reside, and can show competency with the weapon.
You win. You have the right to buy whatever ya want. So long as you pass knowing the laws in the state you reside, and can show competency with the weapon.
I need to be shown this.
YELLAHEEP
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Again........ someone or some body of people has to be in a position of power to dictate who is or isn't competent. Your rules for competency in comparison to someone else's may end up different. States may feel the rules for competency don't meet their standards and want to change them.
Same broken record and we're still not acknowledging the fact that your proposal and all current forms of gun regulation are a violation of the Constitution.
It really is this simple. Gun ownership isn't a privilege based on competency. It's a right provided to American citizens without restriction or condition by the document ALL government officials have taken an oath to support and defend.
YELLAHEEP
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Read the 2nd Amendment Mike.........
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
There is no other way to interpret this other than to understand the ONLY words provided in this Amendment.
It doesn't say "the right of the people - who have been determined to be competent"
YELLAHEEP
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Yes to all except unnatural citizens. Our constitution does not provide protection to those who have not denounced their previous affiliations and sworn their alligence to the U.S.
As far as criminals...... well we already have that provision in our current form of gun control where felons are concerned........... and that works just perfectly now doesn't it?
Im not asking about the law. I am saying do YOU think that felons should be allowed to have any fire arms they choose?
What about those labeled mentally ill?
(I know I come off harsh at times. I think this is good convo and am not irritated or mad and wont be. I want to dig down into what people are thinking and why. I am genuinely curious :thumbup: That is why I posted here and not in off-topin/non-tech. The people here are generally better educated and can better articulate their thoughts)
What about those labeled mentally ill?
(I know I come off harsh at times. I think this is good convo and am not irritated or mad and wont be. I want to dig down into what people are thinking and why. I am genuinely curious :thumbup: That is why I posted here and not in off-topin/non-tech. The people here are generally better educated and can better articulate their thoughts)
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YELLAHEEP
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If we're talking about the definition of a US citizen's right to bear arms...... yep.
Do I like the fact that wingnuts can get and use these weapons....... no. No one does. But I don't compromise the value of MY rights based upon the negligent actions of others.
Ever since Chris posted that link to Oathkeepers.com I've really fine-tuned my positions regarding gun ownership, searches and seizures, etc.
..... and it's making my career a bit more difficult lemme tell ya.
YELLAHEEP
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Yep. Parents that care. Quit letting your 10 year old play war games and become desensitized at the value of human life. Hateful rap music blaring into the ears of our youngsters..... especially the ones that aren't living in poverty or the ghettos have no friggin idea where those lyrics truely come from. They start living their lives according to those lyrics because they're the only words they hear from an adult. An adult that flaunts their fame, money, material possessions..... all earned from uncaring and hatred.
I mean seriously......... what good comes from most of the Tarantino films? Machete? And all those Saw movies. Do people honestly think EVERYONE can watch that kind of subject matter and NOT be affected by it? Some can, yes. But not everyone.
Mainstream media needs to operate with some common sense. To much drama and speculation being interjected into our "freedom of information".
As far as the current issues of violence? I think we're seeing an increasing trend that when crooks know the public is armed, their activity becomes stiffled.
I so desperately want to see more 10pm news stories of robbers, car jackers, burglars being found dead at the hands of their intended victims. An armed society is a polite society.
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This is all on parents. It isn't the games or music or tv. its the parents. or lack there of.
I agree on your gun stance. but aside from taking control of the country. how do you implement that?
YELLAHEEP
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Unfortunately parents are the ones buying these games and music..... mostly indirectly because they give their kids rediculous allowances these days (better term: hush money). I contact SO few kids in South Jeffco that EARN the money they spend. So many of them have credit/debit cards that their folks give them.
And unfortunately, the kids who come from families that can't afford to give them hush money just seem to dwell on the fact that they aren't being given money and suffer from an over inflated sense of entitlement.
I could give SO many examples of kids caught committing crimes and all they do is place blame on anyone or anything other than themselves. And just so little caring about those that their actions affected.
Parents feel trapped because any form of verbal discipline they attempt to dish out is met with "Who cares? What are you gonna do to me? Yell at me more?" If they hit their kid, they get child abuse charges. This is where our system is failing the people it serves. I'm sorry, bruises do not always equate to abuse.
When you see a kid glare hatefully at their mother and call her a w-hore and a c-unt...... It really is hard to NOT slap the shit outta these kids. If I'd have done that to my mother, my dad would have rendered me unconscious and dropped me off in the desert somewhere. And I would have deserved that. But no. Todays kids just get loaded up into their parent's cars, taken home, bought a pizza and asked if they need any laundry done while they hide out in their bedrooms watching cable TV, playing video games and dishing out even more verbal abuse to their parent.
And people wonder why we chose to not have kids....... my career choice ruined me for parenthood. :looney:
And unfortunately, the kids who come from families that can't afford to give them hush money just seem to dwell on the fact that they aren't being given money and suffer from an over inflated sense of entitlement.
I could give SO many examples of kids caught committing crimes and all they do is place blame on anyone or anything other than themselves. And just so little caring about those that their actions affected.
Parents feel trapped because any form of verbal discipline they attempt to dish out is met with "Who cares? What are you gonna do to me? Yell at me more?" If they hit their kid, they get child abuse charges. This is where our system is failing the people it serves. I'm sorry, bruises do not always equate to abuse.
When you see a kid glare hatefully at their mother and call her a w-hore and a c-unt...... It really is hard to NOT slap the shit outta these kids. If I'd have done that to my mother, my dad would have rendered me unconscious and dropped me off in the desert somewhere. And I would have deserved that. But no. Todays kids just get loaded up into their parent's cars, taken home, bought a pizza and asked if they need any laundry done while they hide out in their bedrooms watching cable TV, playing video games and dishing out even more verbal abuse to their parent.
And people wonder why we chose to not have kids....... my career choice ruined me for parenthood. :looney:
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THAT is a huge solution (long term) to the problems we have.
I still will get hit when I do something my grand mother doesnt approve of. And she tends to reach for her slipper before she swings.
But the parenting thing erquires responsibility. Lack of that fueled by a .gov that feeds, houses, and pays an average of $30/day MORE than the average working income. Lie, cheat, steal. Its the best way to get the .gov to pay for all your stuff while you do nothing and your kids run wild. :gee:
But thats a whole other subject.
YELLAHEEP
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Lemme guess Mike....... you want a program that requires potential parents to have to enroll in courses to earn a permit before having kids........ :moon:
God damn that would be awesome. Seriously. Procreation should require a competency test.Lemme guess Mike....... you want a program that requires potential parents to have to enroll in courses to earn a permit before having kids........ :moon:
If you check the box:
"i want as many kids as possible to get as much money from wellfair and other govt support programs so I can cruise around in a better car than my neighbors who work while ignoring all my kids and their multiple fathers/mothers"
You should be exiled. :roflmao:
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How about mandatory firearms training from kindergarten to graduating from HS in the public school system?
