RTicUL8
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Dont worry about getting him anything for duty. The Corps will issue him a Gunnery Sergeant and that's all he'll need.
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Depending on ROE, many times Marines or soldiers will be issued weapons and live ammo but not allowed to combine the two. When I was in Kandahar, all the soldiers on base were forced to carry their weapons at modified condition 4, no rounds in chamber, empty magazine. However they had loaded mags in their pockets, ready for use. We carried at condition 3, no round in chamber, loaded magazine inserted. Technically, none of us had "loaded" weapons. A loaded weapon would have a round in chamber.Any soldier on guard duty in a foreign land will want to have a loaded weapon and authorization to use it. Wouldn't you? The only reason they would not have this is if they were ordered not to.
5 whole years? Impressive![]()
I was in 5 yrs, got out though, wish I had stayed sometimes.at least your original...
"Depending on ROE"
"The only reason they would not have this is if they were ordered not to."
This is the same thing I am saying. You carried your rifle & ammo the way you did because that's the way you were told to. So did the Marines in Beirut.
It's a perfect example.
Originally Posted by 8Mud
I remember a buddy writing me from Iraq and asking me to mail him some ammo, because they kept putting him out on guard duty with no bullets.
Yea I'm going to have to call BS on this one. Plenty of ammo to go around."
That could never happen, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
220 Marines killed.
"It suggested that there might have been many fewer deaths if the barracks guards had carried loaded weapons"
Sorry for hijacking the thread.
Yeah, "loaded" being the operative term there. They had ammunition and weapons. "By the time the two sentries had locked, loaded, and shouldered their weapons". They just didn't carry red or even amber. Hell, they were probably in the guard shack. But they did have the means to respond. So yeah, it didn't happen there, poor example.
Perhaps we're remembering the original comment differently. 8mud put forth that his buddy wrote asking for ammo because he was being put on guard duty without ammo, BS was called, you said it's possible because the Marines in Beirut did not have loaded weapons.
Kittrell's response was that your use of the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut as an example was not an accurate one because they had ammo. Difference being that the original scenario that you tried to support calls for guards with absolutely no ammo with them, your example uses guards that had ammo but were not allowed to have it in their weapons. Much like the soldiers I was in Kandahar with. Aboard the base the soldiers had ammo on their person, but did not have it in the weapon. They would've had to load the magazine into the weapon, then load a round into the chamber, much like the Marines in you example, completely unlike the soldiers who would have had to throw rocks in 8mud's example.
at least your original...
It's called combined arms, we had everything from choppers, through tanks, to scout vehicles, infantry carriers, even track mounted 4.2 mortars. I qualified 11E (later19K and 19Z), 11D (later 19D),63A, 63B, 63C and H, 45K (91K) 21B and C. I even went to 88K school, was 21K and M qualified. There are others. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. I've mixed some of the old MOS designators with some of the newer ones.
I took a school a year, sometimes more if I could. School was my road to advancement, I took everything I could and tried my darnedest to be top in my class. I managed to keep the brown off my nose and still got promoted. I was even in an 880A slot for awhile, though I never really did do the job, I was running a 3 shop.
Funny, I've still got that firing pin, wanna buy one?
I read the "putting him out on guard duty with no bullets" comment as they had ammo but were not giving it to the soldiers on guard duty for whatever reason. That's what I responded to and was my point of view.
I did not interpret that to mean that they did not have any ammo at all because that does not make any sense.
I guess only 8Mud can advise what he meant.
Thanks, I think...You are way too bright to have been a Marine, Al Bundy however...............![]()
Even then, the Beirut example would not have worked. Those Marines likely had ammo on them, but had to load it into the weapon before they could fire. Bad things happen when the powers that be get overly relaxed. Young warriors end up dying because some politician thought they knew better.I read the "putting him out on guard duty with no bullets" comment as they had ammo but were not giving it to the soldiers on guard duty for whatever reason. That's what I responded to and was my point of view.
I did not interpret that to mean that they did not have any ammo at all because that does not make any sense.
I guess only 8Mud can advise what he meant.
Easy there war hero. You never know when you are about to talk shit to someone who has a few more stripes than you.