Front Coilover Mounting

Oh, i think that would apply very directly - KOH may be a mixed breed race, but there's still a hundred miles of desert involved. ;)
 
cal said:
I wouldnt agree with that statement.
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Which part ?

Before you answer, let me preface by saying that it is much easier to tune a coilover. Currie has spent a ton of time dialing that coil in for the tj/lj platform. As far as coils go it is hard to beat. Blaine has gone even further and spent countless hours on multiple rigs getting a damn near perfect shock tune.

Getting that kind of a tune in any rig is not easy. Especially if you run heavy.

I still argue that putting coilovers in the rear and bypasses up front is much better upgrade for an XJ (unless you do
Both.)
 
rockclimber said:
In part, yes. But only because they know that once you are tuned properly, there is no benefit of a coilover to a coil/shock combo. Other than the packaging issues which Dallas solved nicely.
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there is most definitely a benefit to coilovers. tell me where your dual rate slider and stop ring is on a coil spring?
 
rockclimber said:
Which part ?

Before you answer, let me preface by saying that it is much easier to tune a coilover. Currie has spent a ton of time dialing that coil in for the tj/lj platform. As far as coils go it is hard to beat. Blaine has gone even further and spent countless hours on multiple rigs getting a damn near perfect shock tune.

Getting that kind of a tune in any rig is not easy. Especially if you run heavy.

I still argue that putting coilovers in the rear and bypasses up front is much better upgrade for an XJ (unless you do
Both.)
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there is no perfect spring rate for any two rigs. weight and setup can be completely different between two tj's. i know my corner weight is a lot lighter than the OP of this thread, so my spring rates might not work for him and vice versa.
 
Vanimal said:
there is most definitely a benefit to coilovers. tell me where your dual rate slider and stop ring is on a coil spring?
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^^^^
this



i could be totally wrong though. to the best of my understanding, a dual rate coilover will beat a single rate coil and a bypass. there may be some potential with a progressive coil and a bypass, but somehow i'm not feeling it.
 
Vanimal said:
there is most definitely a benefit to coilovers. tell me where your dual rate slider and stop ring is on a coil spring?
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My progressive rate coils achieve essentially the same thing.

Cal, if Blaine would let me, I would share with you his secret for that, he will probably kick my ass, but if you want to call him and ask him how he did it he might tell you.
 
Vanimal said:
there is no perfect spring rate for any two rigs. weight and setup can be completely different between two tj's. i know my corner weight is a lot lighter than the OP of this thread, so my spring rates might not work for him and vice versa.
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This is where coilovers win, ease of adjustability.

However, I would argue that shock tune is more important that spring rate once you get to a certain point.

Edit: I'm strictly speaking of full-bodies rigs like jeeps. You want to start taking about IFS and IRS buggies you are having a different conversation.
 
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Vanimal said:
someone needs to come up with a bypass coilover lol
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I believe Fab Tech makes some or rather Dirt logic for Fab Tech for F350's. I thought about it when they 1st came out, but they are single coil that are non exchangeable (no tuning!). I think the front corners of my van weigh less so they would give a stiff ride.

Sorry but I agree with the progressive rate coil comment. I don't think you've ever had progressive rate coils Dan to doubt that comment. I know I have experience with numerous suspensions and it seems like Savvy does, hence Rockclimbers comment regarding coils! But you guys are doing just fine I will step back and enjoy. I just wanted to point out that Dirt Logic already made and has for a while the bypass coil overs I think they make one for the Tundras too (not shur).
 
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Check out ADS Shock, they make a sweet air bypass shock, we have used it on our ultra4 car and love them, super tune-able and a decent price for the set up your getting.
 
I'll have to check them out. Air that means you can tune them on the fly. That really puts them over the top. I know a lot of guys complain about slow compression or not enough, but if the port is big enough you can set them up with dump valves for quick release and emergency situations!
 
Boss Cherokee said:
I'll have to check them out. Air that means you can tune them on the fly. That really puts them over the top. I know a lot of guys complain about slow compression or not enough, but if the port is big enough you can set them up with dump valves for quick release and emergency situations!
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When I say air i mean it is an air shock with bypass tubes. they look just like a regular bypass shock but can hold the weight of the vehicle.

http://adsmach.com/index.php/products/airbypass
 
Well, I hate to interrupt the debate but the coilovers showed up today. They are pretty sharp looking and well made as far as I can tell. Of course I got a little excited and had to put the springs/ hardware on one of them. Is there any reason why that could be a bad thing if there's no nitrogen in them yet? They said to put 50-60 pounds in them for mock up/ cycling, so I'm hoping a cycle or two with no nitrogen won't be an issue. I wouldn't think so.
Anyway, school is probably going to get in the way for the next couple weekends so it'll be a little while before I can start mounting them unfortunately. I'll keep you guys posted. Oh yeah, and it looks like the preload adjuster has holes for a wrench maybe? I didn't see one on their site?

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BADaXJ said:
Well, I hate to interrupt the debate but the coilovers showed up today. They are pretty sharp looking and well made as far as I can tell. Of course I got a little excited and had to put the springs/ hardware on one of them. Is there any reason why that could be a bad thing if there's no nitrogen in them yet? They said to put 50-60 pounds in them for mock up/ cycling, so I'm hoping a cycle or two with no nitrogen won't be an issue. I wouldn't think so.
Anyway, school is probably going to get in the way for the next couple weekends so it'll be a little while before I can start mounting them unfortunately. I'll keep you guys posted. Oh yeah, and it looks like the preload adjuster has holes for a wrench maybe? I didn't see one on their site?

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NICE but I like the puppy more!

Those ADS airs are really nice too, the price is not so nice but doable!

Still like the puppy more!
 
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Don't cycle the shocks without air or nitrogen in them. The IFP can and will move which can lead to you blowing the end off your resi when you finally charge and use them.
 
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