Colorado B/S Thread

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This guy wasn't your typical sign-holding beggar type. He honestly had been unemployed for a while in Yuma, spent his last bucks to come here on what he believed was a guaranteed job that didn't pan out..... supposedly was going to be given a place to stay and all.

He wouldn't have been in such dire straights if it weren't for the sudden change of weather.......

I'm just pissed because here I am a government public servant, I've got a person with a need, as well as ME needing to find somewhere for him to be..... and I've got no avenues. I can't just turn the guy away in 36 degree weather and he's soaked to the bone........ I'd get sued.

Hell, it'd been WAY easier to get a stray dog boarded than this guy.

Effed up.
 
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DutchVDub said:
The worst part is all the government aid to foreign countries when we have our own internal issues. That's what really grinds my gears.
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THIS...... a billion times THIS.

Bail on the war, close our borders to all but legit tourists and those able to establish themselves here legally, and turn our focus on our own.
 
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Lol at close the borders. I guess we should all hop on boats and head home too?
Since NOONE is from here ultimately.
 
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if we dis-incentize illegal immigration, there is no need to treat the boarders like we're making a new iron curtain. Illegal immigration happens because the risks of getting caught are far outweighed by the employment opportunities and the entitlements from the government. Make the legal form of immigration manageable, and the problems will solve themselves, while the US will be blessed with a hard-wroking and LEGAL immigrant workforce.
 
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xj-grin said:
if we dis-incentize illegal immigration, there is no need to treat the boarders like we're making a new iron curtain. Illegal immigration happens because the risks of getting caught are far outweighed by the employment opportunities and the entitlements from the government. Make the legal form of immigration manageable, and the problems will solve themselves, while the US will be blessed with a hard-wroking and LEGAL immigrant workforce.
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Yeah...... that's what I said. Close the borders.

And quit with the gov't sponsored baby profiting. Tax and subsidy incentives for having numerous kids? Knock that sh!t off. Ya want 'em? Ya gotta be able to afford 'em.
 
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man, I wish i could qualify for some baby welfare... little bastids are expensive. ;)

Borders need not be closed if there is no incentive to cross them illegally -- checkponits where folks are constantly told to "show their papers" is hardly the american image we'd like to project... imagine if police were only searching for real victim-creating criminals at the border, instead of molesting the innocent to try and keep people from doing what they wish with their own bodies, or smuggling across people simply trying to make a living... jeebus, might be some unemployed fed cops due to lack of demand for law enforcement.
 
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I agree with dutch, one of best movies ever. Finally made my brother watch it. He didn't know what to say
 
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Wicked good movie, but very difficult to watch.
 
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YELLAHEEP said:
THIS...... a billion times THIS.

Bail on the war, close our borders to all but legit tourists and those able to establish themselves here legally, and turn our focus on our own.
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Here is an idea. Adjust our policy to reflect that of the country the illegal is from. If you want harsh, look at what Mexico does. Not only do they kick you back to your origin, all of your goods/property is seized by the State...

There is no such thing as a "Native" American. Everyone came here at one time or another.

My Family put up with the nightmare that was Ellis Island. Both the Irish side in the late 1800s and the German side in 1922. Good enough for my family, good enough for everyone's family.

What really torques me off is the illegals that want to have all of the signage in Spanish. IMO, the first step is to establish a National Language. We are the only country I am aware of that does not have an "official" language.

If this sounds harsh, TFB. My grandfather was given a choice, learn English (well, American really...) or starve. No work was available to someone who could not communicate in the dominate language.

And yes this is very much a Pet Peeve. There is an organization that I pay into.

It is:
http://www.us-english.org/

If you believe that we need to stop coddling "non-English speaking" individuals, sign up for it.
 
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I respectfully disagree -- "official language" to me wreaks of nationalism, and I'm not a fan of cheering for a country like its a Sunday afternoon football game. The my-country-is-better-than-yours talk is what leads up to a bunch of dead young men and profits for the puppetmasters. We should lead by example, not bravado. Currently we are far more heavy on the latter than the former, as concerns freedom and liberty.

As you note, none of us are from here originally, and none of us were required to check our language or our culture at the border when our ancestors came over -- that mixed bag of cultures, languages and peoples does not lend America to the type of nationalism you see -- typically a bad thing, think national socialists -- in Europe, where until lately individual countries had fairly homogenous populations. Personally, if someone in the US wishes to do business with me, they are going to speak English, since that is what I speak, and that is a truism mostly nationwide -- that said, it causes me no indigestion if folks wish to speak spanish, german, latin, farsi, or whatever and do business with likeminded people in the US. Their markets may be limited by english dominance, but that isn't my problem, and who the hell am I to tell them what language to speak -- I think that is downright un-American.

The American founders, indeed, damn near included an "official language" in the Constitution, and it was the subject of much debate -- they opted not to, but for the record, the language considered was German, not English, which I have always found a bit amusing and strange. :cheers:
 
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I vote for English.
 
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I am not suggesting that diversity be tossed out of the window... And you are correct about our National language just missing being German. A knee jerk reaction of Anti-British legislators... Cna't say I blame them all things considered.

Sort of makes you wonder how things might have gone if we were a German speaking country.

Again, not suggesting we throw the baby out with the bath water. What I am suggesting is that, at one time, speaking "American" was a requirement. These days, not so much. I have somewhat less than no heartburn what language a person cares to speak around their home, with their friends and so forth. I do have issues with folk that refuse to blend into the workplace and society in general.

To me, at any rate, this flies in the face of the entire "melting pot" idea where we take the strengths of each culture and incorporate them into the whole. Some folk out there are, in no way, interested in blending in. I had the misfortune to be put into the position of working with some when I was working in Aurora.

The business offered English classes to those interested but, the class attendance was a very small minority of the Spanish speakers.

So then, what to do? If you are here illegally, I think you should be tossed out. If you get caught again, go to jail first and then get tossed out again.

The house I grew up in, Gaelic (Irish version) was spoken in family. What was forbidden, for us, was German even though my Father was fluent (as were us kids) having grown up in a house where English was a second language. But then, I was told to tell people that I was an Irishman with a German last name... Think the 1950s here and being German, back then, was a very bad thing indeed... Today, respected, back then, despised...

How German was my Father? During WWII, the Federal Government put into place a policy where first and second generation Italian or German heritage folk were sent only into the Pacific Theater just as the Nisei were only sent to Italy to fight. The Feds did not wish to put a person in the position of having to fire upon one of their cousins... A good idea actually.

So, my Dad island hopped his way across the Pacific and wound up as part of the Occupation. The stories he told me about the Japanese would curl your hair. Things like Mothers tossing themselves off of cliffs with the small children in order to avoid "capture" by the big bad Americans. The Japanese Military had told them that all Americans tortured civilians...

Sorry, sort of wandered off there...
 
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Guage -- you speak Gaelic? Bad ass dying language... though the surge in the Irish speaking "Irish" in the 90's may have saved it... I really enjoyed sitting in Ireland on my honeymoon and watching Gaelic language television subtitled in English...

I don't subscribe to the "melting pot" ideal -- I for one, refuse to be blended into some mish-mash collective. I am an individual, and will remain one.

The Japanese believed the horror stories about Americans as they were a mirror of what the Japanese had been doing to the Chinese, so they had seen it first hand.
 
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Grin,
Let me ask you a question...

Do you like to eat Italian food? How about Chinese? Tex-Mex anyone? Personally, I can eat Chinese every bloody day ass those people know how to cook.

Point being, this is part of the melting pot. A sharing of the good side of the culture.

I am fairly lucky. I am a "half-Breed". The kid, on the other hand, is a Mutt. The wife is Irish, French (Canadian, not to be confused with the real...) a tad Scot and she is Cherokee on top of everything. You can see the Cherokee in her cheekbones.

So, the kid is American and that is what he was told to say when asked in grade school.

The Japanese... In deed they projected their behavior onto us. Just read the history if you want to get a real horror show.

As for me, I no longer can speak anything but colloquial English. The version known as "American" as we do not speak English in this country. At one time, I had Parisian French and Spanish (Mexican version, not Castilian) in the mix. And, of course being raised Catholic in the 50s, I had to be able to speak "Church" Latin. Thing is with Latin, if you understand that, it opens the door to all of the Latin based languages...

I, for one, like language. But you know, if you get immersed into a language that you , at one time, spoke, it comes back. Sort of... I spent a couple of weeks in Puerto Rico doing some machine tool installations and was amazed at how it came back. Only to get lost again.

My Wife was looking at this thread earlier and told me a story she got from a friend of hers. Apparently, their friend works at one of the many call centers here in town and the person in the next cubical is an English transplant. He has a very pronounced accent.

Here is the story:

The guy answered the phone and attempted to do his job. What he got from the person that called in was...........

"I will only talk to someone that speaks English, not you foreigner"....

Right. So. There you go.

Ireland, on my bucket list. An item that will never happen as I pretty much do not go anywhere anymore...
 
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I do eat/love foreign foods, Guage -- but my enjoyment and sharing of others' cultures does not make me yearn to assimilate or "blend" into them. A multi-cultural society is not a melting pot, unless those cultures are forced to be diluted and assimilated into the national culture.
 
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