Colorado B/S Thread

Re: The Colorado BS thread

Chris, I get what you're saying with the whole language thing and losing individual culture. However, I feel we do need to establish an official language in this country. Just because a country has an official language doesn't mean you can't speak your cultural languages when amongst others who speak the same. English is my second language, and while I no longer speak it anytime my mom and grandma are together all they speak to each other is Dutch. I still grew up knowing of the culture I came from, although we definitely adopted a mostly "American" culture I still knew of a lot of our traditions. I still to this day love going back home and having traditional Dutch foods at Christmas time.

When Europeans immigrated here back in the day it was very common for people to change family names and toss away "old country" cultures in an attempt to Americanize as quickly as possible. Others would group together in certain parts of the city and you'd wind up with a "Little Odessa" or "German Town" in that area. Outside of that area though you spoke English and acted accordingly.

I personally find it insulting when people will move to this country for its benefits and not have the respect to at least learn and understand the predominant language and customs of it. Its disrespectful, plain and simple.

Besides, how would you like it if you went into a branch of your bank only to find that every person that worked there (and all the signage) only spoke Russian? Hard to function as a country if we start being divided up into language zones.

Discounted tuition for illegal immigrants? Free health care for illegal immigrants? Jobs for illegal immigrants? I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure the first word in that two word term is ILLEGAL. Sorry, but when all those illegal immigrant rights protests were going on they should have had trucks lined up and herded everybody into them for immediate deportation.

They need to streamline the immigration process, that I agree. My mom had lived here with a green card for nearly 20 years and still struggled to get her citizenship. They also however need to streamline and enforce the punishments for being an illegal immigrant, employing illegal immigrants, and harboring illegal immigrants.

Drug testing for welfare recipients, hell yes they should be drug tested. I have to take drug tests to get and maintain a job then why shouldn't they to receive government aid?

I'm sorry, but if you're on welfare and thus can not on your own means support yourself and your family then you should be allowed to have more kids. If you do then its time they get turned over to social services, obviously if you have to be on welfare to survive then you cannot provide a safe and nurturing environment for your kid.

While on welfare you should be required to perform government sponsored community service, they're paying you they should get some work out of you. I'm not saying 40hrs a week, I don't want to greatly impact your ability to find a real job. However 10-20hrs a week of valid and verifiable community service should be a small price to pay for your welfare check.

Do those things and see how many people suddenly go from being welfare dependent to productive members of society.

I'm all about being able to lend a helping hand to people when they come on hard times. Most of us (including myself) have been there and it sucks. I'm not about a system that nurtures a unproductive element to our society, an element that does nothing but drain society.

Oh yeah, and as I said before. No more foreign aid until we get our country sorted out. We have a multi-trillion dollar deficit and yet we send billions of dollars to other countries? That makes no sense.

Hell, for that matter I think its time we sent Afghanistan a bill. I'm pretty sure Orkin charges to provide pest control, isn't that what we've been doing?

As for all the problems we have with our overbearing federal government not doing what is in the interests of the people and grossly misusing our money and its authority. Well, if the South had one we wouldn't have these problems.
 
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I don't disagree in principle, Dutch, just in method. Its one thing for your family to choose to assimilate into the dominant US cultrure, and they prospered as a result. Its entirely another to allow the "overbearing federal government" mandate such assimilation. that isn't freedom, its bowing to the majority, and the day will come in the not too distant future when that majority won't choose english, do you wish to be forced by the government to speak mandrin? spanish?

Those who choose, and it should be their choice provided they otherwise comply with the law, to speak other languages are only limiting their own opportunities. So be it, they are their opportunities to limit.
 
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Well... In a nutshell... The US of A is one of if not the only country that does not have a "official" language. If this oversight were to be resolved all of this "we want our language here" stuff would come to an end.

Do I think that folk on public aide should be drug tested? Yes , I do. If I am going to support you, you had better be clean. In fact, there is very little of Dutch's position I would take exception to. As for folk that are "limiting their opportunities" that is mostly true with the exception that they want everyone else to bend over backwards to provide more than the opportunity, they want the world handed to them on a plate.

This does not apply to all. There are some folk out there that work extremely hard to become a success story and those folk should be recognized. I just had issues with folk that want me to support them. I can barely support myself these days since I was forced into retirement... And before that, I was of the opinion that "I worked hard to get where I am, feel free to work hard yourself".

TANSTAAFL to quote one of my favourite authors.
There
Ain't
No
Such
Thing
As
A
Free
Lunch

English is the De facto language of international politics as well as the standard for many other international happenings. Such as Air Traffic Control, also Formula 1 Racing. Until and unless a language such as Esperanto becomes the international norm, English is it.

I have always wondered just what the justification is for the US to borrow Billions and then promptly send it out of the Country. Why not just let the lenders send the bucks directly?

Oh, yah... That's right, they won't do it. It takes a country like ours to provide. Do I agree with all of the disbursements? Nope. in particular, giving monies to Israel make no sense to me. Not since they were busted for spying on our Military secrets... Plus, they have an economy that works just fine. Intel has a plant in Israel...
 
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see I object to drug testing for those on the dole, because I object to providing the dole... prior to the unfunded ponzi-scheme entitlement system with which we are burdened and will be buried, private charity took care of the indigent just fine, and indeed far better than the current system without creating a welfare-dependent and unmotivated-to-improve-their condition class. We don't need to create a new role for government in regulating what those on the dole choose, as free people, to put in their bodies, we simply need to remove the dole.

That was indeed my point in responding to Troy's original point, that if the US government would take its hand out of my pocket, I'd have significantly more funds to share with those in need, and whom I might choose to support.
 
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I would agree that the dole is the problem The problem gets worse for every kid that gets popped out. The only "job" I know of where you get a raise due only to popping out a kid is Welfare. It is a certainty that my wage did not go up when my kid showed up.

So, here is another log to throw on this particular fire and mind you, I am enjoying this particular fire...

Resolved:
All Welfare recipients go on Mandatory Birth Control. The type that is implanted.
All Welfare recipients go on Workfare. Do something...

When you look at the statistics of the program, we now have third and in some cases fourth generation recipients.

So the question then becomes, How do we get out? So far, every attempt to limit the programs have been met with a barrage from the Liberal side. It is not that the Conservatives are unfeeling or uncaring, they just do not want to pay for it.

Now, in the interests of transparency, I must cop to being on Social Security Disability. I have been since late 2008 and the program converts to standard Social Security when I hit 65. Not all that far from here... I am also getting monies from Intel as I had purchased the Disability Insurance they offered. Something I recommend to all of you that have the option. Take it as you never know what may happen.

But, be warned. There are loopholes in the Disability program in this country that you would not believe. It is Private Insurance that is pretty much non regulated. Which means that the money you pay does not feed into a fund like Social Security.

In my case, I had to sue Intel in order to collect. That's right, a multi-Billion Dollar per quarter company did not want to pay what I was owed. My Attorneys were literally walking out of the door to file the papers at the Federal Courthouse in Denver when Intel folded their tent.

AND... I now have to give up 1/3 of the Intel monies every month to the Attorneys.

Point here is that although I am collecting "on the dole" I paid into both programs extensively. For several years, I hit the Social Security cap which is where the Feds stop taking money. If ever there were an idiotic idea, the SS cap must be number one on the hit parade. This is one of the "loop holes" in SS that must be closed.
 
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no, no, no -- the birth control/drug test theory is just making the problem worse. Its typical of the feds for the left to create an entitlement problem through unconsitutional legislation, and then the right tries to "improve" it by putting more unconstitutional legislation through. The solution lies not with more laws, more requirements and more infringements on our individual rights, but through less law -- repeal what's there, don't pass more to "fix" it. Eliminate the dole and let those who would have children they can't afford and wish to intoxicate themselves to incapacity have at it -- its simply won't be your problem unless you CHOOSE to give to a charity that seeks to help them see the error of their ways.

As to your reliance on SS, Guage, I think we should have a class-action lawsuit against the Feds for that particular entitlement, in that you were completely defrauded. FDR sold the SS "insurance" as being a sort of forced saving into an individually funded account -- it hasn't been that, ever really, but under the law since the 50's, yet they continue to seperate the SS "tax" from regular income tax in order to create the illusion that you're buying something to serve you at a later date.

I am under no illusion that I, in my 40's, will ever see a dime of the thousands of dollars I've "contributed" to SS, but that enlightenment was less obvious a few decades ago. Take what they'll give you and enjoy, I'll continue to try and find legal means to minimize my "contributions", since the balance in my personal entitlement account for SS will ALWAYS be negative.
 
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I hear you loud and clear... Problem is, the programs exist.

How about this then. We add another layer to the Legislative Branch whose sole duty is to repeal legislation by a simple majority. The branch would be prohibited from enacting anything, they would only exist to repeal existing laws.

"unmotivated-to-improve-their condition class" I like that.

OK, then, what is your feeling about Income Tax. It was enacted solely to pay for WWI...

Thing is, once Government gets their grubby mitts into your (mine too...) pocket, it is impossible to remove the leach.

At least the Republicans say they want less Government. There is not a social program in the world that a Democrat can pass up.
 
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The problem with the income tax, is that while it WAS patently unconstitutional the first couple of times the feds tried/did impose it (see the tyrant Lincoln's tax to pay for the killing of US citizens during the war of northern aggression), is that this time around its been made constitutional through amendment of the constitution. The idiot state's ratified it, and now we're stuck with it -- again with the insincere promises that it would never be greater than a 3% tax, and it would only apply to the uber-rich 1%... now I pay 40% and I'm not in the top 10%... typical. As you said, once the hand is in the pocket, you can't get it out.

As to the "de-legisilative" committee of the legislative branch, I love it. But all they'll ever do is talk about what's on cable. Power is never surrendered willingly. ever.
 
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Chris, I love your view on the civil war and I whole heartedly agree. Lincoln was a tyrant who forcibly oppressed the southern states into a "Union" that is to this day far from constitutional.

I wonder what side our fore-fathers would have supported.

I also agree with the view point that rather then add to the legislature on welfare, dissolve it and let it be solely the responsibility of the many existing charities out there.

I also doubt I will ever see any Social Security money, its total bull poopies too. How much better off would my personal retirement accounts be if I were able to put that money into them instead of paying into something I will probably never see?
 
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My great-grandfather (I have enormously spread generations in my family) was a surgeon in the civil war -- for the Union. Doubtless if he had the opportunity to discuss it with his great grandson with the benefit of hindsight, he would have been wearing Gray...
 
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Wish I had planted the spinach last week.
 
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I wish I had a lawn... I do have spinich, though, been enjoying it all winter.
 
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