AZ you guys got

I have ZERO problems with immigrants-- not sure what I am entirely! :D

I have ZERO tolerance with ILLEGAL ALIENS. Absolute ZERO tolerance. No amnesty! Go HOME. APPLY for legal immigration. Wait in line. No problema.

x2 You want to come legally, Be my guest!
 
The people I know who are most angry about illegal immigration are immigrants who did it the right way. I know a Russian guy who has spent $100k+ on education and learning and everything else on his way towards citizenship. He's currently a resident alien, or whatever it is when you are permanently here but not a citizen yet.

And really, I don't know why this law is condsidered so tough, all they're doing is saying that being here illegally is now illegal. :dunno:
 
If you have a social security number, you should know it... if you don't, you should have your documentation. As long as you know your SSN, DL#, birthday, address, and all of that stuff that's on file, I highly doubt you're going to be given much of a hard time.
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Billy

Bingo.
 
If you have a social security number, you should know it... if you don't, you should have your documentation. As long as you know your SSN, DL#, birthday, address, and all of that stuff that's on file, I highly doubt you're going to be given much of a hard time.
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Billy

So, what you are saying is that when stopped by AZ LEO and you are asked for your ID, answering with "no habla ingles" would not be the best answer? :D
 
The people I know who are most angry about illegal immigration are immigrants who did it the right way. I know a Russian guy who has spent $100k+ on education and learning and everything else on his way towards citizenship. He's currently a resident alien, or whatever it is when you are permanently here but not a citizen yet.

And really, I don't know why this law is condsidered so tough, all they're doing is saying that being here illegally is now illegal. :dunno:
Been saying this for a while. But heck, if it helps the problem to make it illegal at the state level as well as the federal level, since the feds/ICE don't seem motivated to actually do anything... ok, do what needs to be done.

I really wish we'd just enforce the laws we already have, except for the ones that are truly BS, which should be removed from the books instead of left there and not enforced.
 
Notes on Federal versus criminal law

Here's what the law says about entering this country illegally (really, it's a "criminal" violation):
"8 U.S.C. 1325 - Improper Entry by Alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts; Any alien who -

(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or

(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or

(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under Title 18, or imprisoned not more than two years or both."

Civil and federal crime:
Being illegally in the U.S. is a civil matter. However, it is a federal crime to enter the country without inspection (EWI, USC 8 1325). A first offense can bring a fine and/or up to six months followed with deportation. A second offense (a felony) can bring up to two years and/or fine and then deportation. Thus, illegal immigration is a federal crime and a civil offense, with two separate courts.

The criminal charge will be filed by a U.S. Attorney and heard in U.S. District Court. The deportation (the removal) will then be conducted by the immigration courts, the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR) before an Administration Law Judge.

Along the southern border, 95 percent of the cases get deposed of by "voluntary removal" on the part of the illegal, with no prosecutions in District Court. However, some U.S. Attorneys are indeed now filing all violations of USC 8, 1325. The U.S, Attorney in the Southern District of Texas is doing exactly that, with en masse proceedings.

Other commonly committed federal crimes include: the misdemeanor Failure to Carry Alien Registration. 18 USC 911, False Claim of US Citizenship, is a felony with an up to five-years in prison. Under 18 USC 1546, false document and fraud misuse on an I-9 claim is a felony.
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U.S. Code Title 8:
Section 1324a states: "Any person who knowingly hires/harbors/transports any illegal alien is guilty of a felony punishable by 10 years jail + $2000 fine per illegal alien + forfeiture of the vehicle or property used to commit the crime".

Section 1324c states, "All officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws shall have authority to make arrests for a violation of any provision of this section" (affirmed U.S. v. Perez-Gonzalez 2002 Fed App 0360, 6th Circ.).

Section 1644, same title states, "No local ordinance, rule, or measure shall stop law enforcement officers from enforcement of this section" (affirmed Southern District Court of NY, U.S. v. Rudy Guiliani,1996).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001324----000-.html




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If they are failing in their duty, why aren't they being held accountable?

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