Any Non religious people here?

[kastein]

Now we just call it bad cooking!

(my whole family is into the horrible jokes and puns, sorry guys, I gotta practice for christmas dinner)

 

[goodburbon]

Worship doesn't require a ceremony or format. They gave burnt offerings to the Lord, that is a form of worship.

In your stated views those people were closer to god and genetically more perfect. Why don't you burn stuff for god? Is it perhaps because society changes, and as it does so God changes his wants to suit what's acceptable to man? So it is on earth, so let it be in heaven?

 

[Darky]

In your stated views those people were closer to god and genetically more perfect. Why don't you burn stuff for god? Is it perhaps because society changes, and as it does so God changes his wants to suit what's acceptable to man? So it is on earth, so let it be in heaven?

We no longer need to make sacrifices, Jesus was the perfect and final sacrifice.

 

[goodburbon]

We no longer need to make sacrifices, Jesus was the perfect and final sacrifice.

Oh, so that's why the jews don't sacrifice anymore either?

Good point about the greek empire not needing to be there for the people to be polytheistic btw.

 

[beakie]

We no longer need to make sacrifices, Jesus was the perfect and final sacrifice.

not knowing the actual purpose of it, what is lent? my thought was it being a sacrifice to signify something, seriously, just wondering.

glad to see this thread got back on topic, just wish I could remember all these points after a few beer during the annual Christmas dinner debate at the old mans.

 

[Boatwrench]

13 years of Catholic school experience...

Lent is a period of pentinence & fasting, yes it is sacrifice. When I was a kid one night a week we would eat a light meal of soup and bread. This was to serve two purposes, one to remind us that a soup of watery broth is the only meal a large portion of the world's population would get to eat at all that day and the 2nd was the money Mom & dad did not spend on dinner would be placed in a bowl and donated at the end of Lent to the church poor fund. For a long period now, not sure how long, the leaning of the area I live in, the sacrifice is geared to time, sacrifing your free time to lend a hand to help others. Soup kitchen, shelter, etc. This sacrifice of time has extended through the year now.

 

[Darky]

Oh, so that's why the jews don't sacrifice anymore either?

Good point about the greek empire not needing to be there for the people to be polytheistic btw.

The Jewish temple was destroyed by the Romans, completely dismantled in 70 AD. Not a stone was left on top another. Without the temple, the Jews cannot sacrifice.

not knowing the actual purpose of it, what is lent? my thought was it being a sacrifice to signify something, seriously, just wondering.

glad to see this thread got back on topic, just wish I could remember all these points after a few beer during the annual Christmas dinner debate at the old mans.

I actually know nothing about lent. But luckily, Boatwrench does. Now, sacrifice is no longer required for salvation, however if you are willing to sacrifice for God, He will bless it. In Boatwrench's example, the blessing may be that their donation allows another family to afford groceries, or something else vitally important.

 

[beakie]

13 years of Catholic school experience...

Lent is a period of pentinence & fasting, yes it is sacrifice. When I was a kid one night a week we would eat a light meal of soup and bread. This was to serve two purposes, one to remind us that a soup of watery broth is the only meal a large portion of the world's population would get to eat at all that day and the 2nd was the money Mom & dad did not spend on dinner would be placed in a bowl and donated at the end of Lent to the church poor fund. For a long period now, not sure how long, the leaning of the area I live in, the sacrifice is geared to time, sacrifing your free time to lend a hand to help others. Soup kitchen, shelter, etc. This sacrifice of time has extended through the year now.

I actually know nothing about lent. But luckily, Boatwrench does. Now, sacrifice is no longer required for salvation, however if you are willing to sacrifice for God, He will bless it. In Boatwrench's example, the blessing may be that their donation allows another family to afford groceries, or something else vitally important.

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ya, that sounds about what I was thinking it meant. soo many religions out there its hard to be knowledgeable on more then a few, or even your own for some.

so when you said no future sacrifices were needed, because christ was the perfect sacrifice, you meant in a human manner no more sacrifices were needed, is that right?

it may also be helpful to know what each persons denomination was, as discussions with one person can get confusing when your arguing points of one faith/religion with a follower of a different faith/religion.

 

[Darky]

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ya, that sounds about what I was thinking it meant. soo many religions out there its hard to be knowledgeable on more then a few, or even your own for some.

so when you said no future sacrifices were needed, because christ was the perfect sacrifice, you meant in a human manner no more sacrifices were needed, is that right?

it may also be helpful to know what each persons denomination was, as discussions with one person can get confusing when your arguing points of one faith/religion with a follower of a different faith/religion.

We no longer need to sacrifice a bull or sheep for atonement, Jesus' sacrifice has provided that.
I follow no real "denomination" per se, the closest I guess if you could call it one is Calvary Chapel. My pastor/FIL was trained in Calvary Chapel and took over for another church, non-Calvary Chapel. I tend to be careful though even with them because Calvary Chapel strikes me as having the possibility for a cult of personality to form behind Chuck Smith, the founder. Otherwise, Calvary churches and my FIL both check out when I read and study on my own.

 

[hiimmred]

My parents were Jehovah's Witnesses, maybe that's why I'm so sceptical. I stopped being forced to go when I was about 14, even at that age I had doubts about interpretations of scripture, to abstract for me.

 

[XJEEPER]

Worship doesn't require a ceremony or format. They gave burnt offerings to the Lord, that is a form of worship.

The sacrifice of the best lamb, cow, goat in your herd, ear of corn, etc. was in similitude to the pending sacrifice of that Christ would make in the shedding of his blood and giving up his mortal life to atone for our sins.

"Bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest" (Lev. 23:10) and "the first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God" (Ex. 34:26)

6 And after many days an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adam, saying: Why dost thou offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto him: I know not, save the Lord commanded me.
7 And then the angel spake, saying: This thing is a similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father, which is full of grace and truth.


8 Wherefore, thou shalt do all that thou doest in the name of the Son, and thou shalt repent and call upon God in the name of the Son forevermore.


9 And in that day the Holy Ghost fell upon Adam, which beareth record of the Father and the Son, saying: I am the Only Begotten of the Father from the beginning, henceforth and forever, that as thou hast fallen thou mayest be redeemed, and all mankind, even as many as will.

 

[Darky]

6 And after many days an angel of the Lord appeared unto Adam, saying: Why dost thou offer sacrifices unto the Lord? And Adam said unto him: I know not, save the Lord commanded me.
7 And then the angel spake, saying: This thing is a similitude of the sacrifice of the Only Begotten of the Father, which is full of grace and truth.


8 Wherefore, thou shalt do all that thou doest in the name of the Son, and thou shalt repent and call upon God in the name of the Son forevermore.


9 And in that day the Holy Ghost fell upon Adam, which beareth record of the Father and the Son, saying: I am the Only Begotten of the Father from the beginning, henceforth and forever, that as thou hast fallen thou mayest be redeemed, and all mankind, even as many as will.

Book of Moses, Chapter 5, from the Pearl of Great Price, a collection from Joseph Smith. Thought I didn't recall those verses...

 

[JNickel101]

When did it become necessary for the Greek Empire to be in existence for the Greeks to be polytheistic? And where did you get the idea that I think Christianity was around before Christ or that the Earth is only 3500 yrs old? Belief in God does require some ritualized religion. Adam and Eve were not members of the Jewish religion but they knew and worshipped God. But good job trying to twist my words to fit your stereotype...

So...if England was wiped off the face of the Earth, would there still be a Church of England? I think English Anglicans would be pretty scarce....and the remaining who weren't wiped out would be assimilated into whoever was doing the wiping....

hasta

There is still a Greece today - are they polytheistic?

 

[Darky]

A more applicable scenario would be: If the British Empire was knocked back to just the isle of Britain, would those Brits change their beliefs? And mind you, this would be taking place back when we didn't have an interweb, satellite TV, phone service, flight, automobile, or ocean liner. Thoughts, ideas, philosophies, and religions would be spread via word of mouth.

So, the Greek Empire was beaten back to just the nation-state of Greece. Did the thousands or millions of Greeks still alive all of a sudden change their minds just because they were no longer running the world? No.