Abortion?

[Beezil]

So by your logic, there are people who are too stupid to know that the act of sexual intercouse between a male and female can result in the creation of a child?

Smart enough to figure out how to perform the act, too stupid to understand the potential outcome?

No sale.

I submit that it is more an issue of personal responsibility and accountability for ones actions.

The "I'll have unprotected sex now and deal with the consequences later" metality is what keeps Planned Parenthood in business.......in fact, Planned Parenthood actually promotes this.

xjeeper.......economy,jobs,economy, jobs.

every time you talk about social issues, your poll numbers slip.

economy, jobs, economy, jobs......

 

[Boatwrench]

xjeeper.......economy,jobs,economy, jobs.

every time you talk about social issues, your poll numbers slip.

economy, jobs, economy, jobs......

:roflmao: Great post, not for the content but because it just brought a smile to my face.

 

[H8PVMT]

Its not that hard on gun control, I just say I agree, and that gun control is working great for chicago and washington dc, then argue that while we are at it we should ban killing people with guns, and make murder illegal. Maybe put people in jail for it, that will stop people from murdering each other.

Then I laugh in their face if they agree with me. Easy.

you are debating people in the worcester area, can't be that hard to confuse them.......assuming you speak spanish in the first place

 

[H8PVMT]

So by your logic, there are people who are too stupid to know that the act of sexual intercouse between a male and female can result in the creation of a child?

Smart enough to figure out how to perform the act, too stupid to understand the potential outcome?

No sale.

I submit that it is more an issue of personal responsibility and accountability for ones actions.

The "I'll have unprotected sex now and deal with the consequences later" metality is what keeps Planned Parenthood in business.......in fact, Planned Parenthood actually promotes this.

when my wife didn't have health care and she got pregnant with our first child we used planned parenthood, NOT ONCE did they even hint at getting an abortion over the three months we used them, even though they knew we were broke, unmarried and living in a place not suitable for a baby, pretty sure you've never stepped inside their doors so what makes you an expert?

the sky is falling

i still find it amazing that the group that was discussing all this in congress never consulted a single female about it, how would you guys feel if the Sierra club were the only people allowed in a meeting deciding gun laws?

 

[rockclimber]

xjeeper.......economy,jobs,economy, jobs.

every time you talk about social issues, your poll numbers slip.

economy, jobs, economy, jobs......

you should be running mittens campaign.

XJeeper... go to a planned parenthood and talk to them before you open your mouth.

 

[Darky]

The thing you are forgetting is that some people are too stupid or ignorant about these types of things.
Ie abstinence only sexual education proponents and morons. Not there is a difference between the 2.

I disagree. There might be people stupid enough (trying to fool themselves) to think that pulling out works, but pretty sure everybody understands the act, the consequences, etc, they're just too lazy, shy, scared, impatient, or what have you to prepare for the moment or interrupt the moment.

Funny, same here. But the fact remains that so many current and future problems could be avoided if the population wasn't growing so fast. You can talk about declining birth rates all you want, but the world population goes up every year. And it is literally becoming more than the planet can support. :twak:

Wanna know the best part? The developed world is declining, third world nations are where all the growth is. So not only are we outpacing what the planet can support, we're doing it in the areas that can support the least to begin with.

i still find it amazing that the group that was discussing all this in congress never consulted a single female about it, how would you guys feel if the Sierra club were the only people allowed in a meeting deciding gun laws?

The difference comes from how you view abortion: as only affecting the woman or as the murder of the fetus. If the argument is viewed with abortion being murder, why would the gender of the debaters matter? Murder is murder. However, if they were debating it more as should women have the right to control their pregnancy without the man's input, then yeah, the mix should of been more even.

 

[DrMoab]

Im not for abortion I do think it's murder yet I'm all for limiting families to a couple of kids.

Wonder where that puts me on the political spectrum?

 

[Darky]

A liberal Chinese Communist?

 

[XJEEPER]

XJeeper... go to a planned parenthood and talk to them before you open your mouth.

You don't know me; don't assume that you do or pretend that you have all the answers or that PP is some great community service organization.

In 2011 Planned Parenthood provided:
1,113,460 Pregnancy tests
329,445 Abortion Proceedures
841 Adoption Referals

In 2011:
29.6% of pregnancy tests issued by Planned Parenthood resulted in Abortion

.076% of pregnacy tests issued by Planned Parenthood resulted in Adoption Referrals

1,461,816 Emergency contraception kits were performed by PP


I happen to have first hand knowledge of the permanent mental side effects that result from a woman having an abortion.
She murdered her baby, and in 20 years, not a day has passed that she doesn't think about it..........not my wife, for the record.

On the positive side, I have 3 awesome nephews that were adopted from unwed mothers, who decided that murdering their child was wrong.

 

[H8PVMT]

You don't know me; don't assume that you do or pretend that you have all the answers or that PP is some great community service organization.

In 2011 Planned Parenthood provided:
1,113,460 Pregnancy tests
329,445 Abortion Proceedures
841 Adoption Referals

In 2011:
29.6% of pregnancy tests issued by Planned Parenthood resulted in Abortion

.076% of pregnacy tests issued by Planned Parenthood resulted in Adoption Referrals

1,461,816 Emergency contraception kits were performed by PP


I happen to have first hand knowledge of the permanent mental side effects that result from a woman having an abortion.
She murdered her baby, and in 20 years, not a day has passed that she doesn't think about it..........not my wife, for the record.

On the positive side, I have 3 awesome nephews that were adopted from unwed mothers, who decided that murdering their child was wrong.

Great math skills, now how many tests/abortions were from incest, rape, health threatening situations?

First if it were murder they would all be arrested so leave your shock words at to yourself

And it's great you know one person that regrets it, in my job I meet dozens a year that have had one, all regret it it one way or another that's just the way it goes
I have 6 adopted brothers and sisters, that still doesn't change the fact that it was their mothers decision to make, not congress and not some paranoid Naxja member

 

[XJEEPER]

I'd love to know those stats, but PP doesn't provide this info.

I don't agree with Roe V Wade. Just because it's "legal" or politically correct, doesn't make it right.

Truth = "Shock words"? Don't have the stomach for reality? Tearing babies apart limb by limb with a vacuum doesn't sound quite as fluffy as abortion.....

I do believe there are extreme cases where an abortion cn be justified.......30% cannot be "extreme cases".

Good will be called evil and evil will be called good......I'm not paraniod, I know how it all ends. Choose your side, choose your consequences.

 

[Boatwrench]

In 2011 Planned Parenthood provided:
1,113,460 Pregnancy tests
329,445 Abortion Proceedures
841 Adoption Referals

That's roughly 700K pregnancy tests that were either negative, went full term, placed for adoption outside of PP administration or recieved an abortion at a clinic other than PP. That 700K (68%-?) has too many unanswered questions to draw any conclusions.

 

[H8PVMT]

are where are the stats about the people like my wife that showed up obviously pregnant, no need for a test? and received counseling and support

did you guys see obama talking with a pirate instead of the prime minister of Israel?

anything can be taken out of context to help certain people try to make a point

 

[H8PVMT]

I know how it all ends. QUOTE]

:roflmao: you honestly are shithouse nuts

 

[XJEEPER]

In 2011 Planned Parenthood provided:
1,113,460 Pregnancy tests
329,445 Abortion Proceedures
841 Adoption Referals

That's roughly 700K pregnancy tests that were either negative, went full term, placed for adoption outside of PP administration or recieved an abortion at a clinic other than PP. That 700K (68%-?) has too many unanswered questions to draw any conclusions.

What conclusion? I'm pointing out that PP rips over 300,000 babies apart, limb by limb annually. Thats a fact, the stats were pulled from their website.

 

[XJEEPER]

I know how it all ends. QUOTE]

:roflmao: you honestly are shithouse nuts

Interesting opinion, for a guy who voted for Obama.........:confused1

 

[Tom R.]

Great math skills, now how many tests/abortions were from incest, rape, health threatening situations?

Rape & incest: approx 1% of all abortions. Various credible sources (available to anyone with a few clicks) seem to be consistent with this number. Not sure how many abortions resulted from health-threatening conditions, but from what I remember it's also a very low percentage. I'm too tired to look it up.

Regardless of anyone's position, one point all of us should be able to acknowledge is that abortion is currently legal in the U.S. Would it also be reasonable that every effort should be made to minimize the procedure?

 

[rockclimber]

Regardless of anyone's position, one point all of us should be able to acknowledge is that abortion is currently legal in the U.S. Would it also be reasonable that every effort should be made to minimize the procedure?

I agree.

defunding pp isn't going to help.

 

[Tom R.]

I agree.

defunding pp isn't going to help.

You may be correct. It's another issue entirely, but the objection people have with subsidizing Planned Parenthood is that it's done with taxpayer money, which is approaching the $400 million a year mark.

 

[tbburg]

This has nothing to do with the current election, who wins the election, who you should vote for, or whatever else related to the election. I wasn't trying to distract anyone. If you were distracted in who you should vote for, or why you should vote that way, by this thread, I'm sorry you're so easily distracted. Go back to thinking about the national economy and US standing in the world.
As candidate Romney put a similar health care scheme in place Mass as the national plan coming on line, I don't think whoever wins will make a difference in the answer to this question. I suppose we could get an admin to lock this thread so it's not a distraction until after the election, but that wouldn't answer my question. I suppose in reality this thread doesn't belong in the political discussion zone, but in the US today, the reality is that abortion is very much a political topic. No, I don't think that abortion should be the deciding factor in the election of the president. I put the thread here because if I put it in the off-topic forum an admin would have moved it here anyway.

the correct response to the OP is:

why the F&%K are we talking about abortion in 2012?

Well, the reason I asked the question is that it occurred to me (as stated in my original post)that with federally mandated health care and defacto federal control of health insurance, there is going to be very little or no privacy left in the field of health care.

Why am I asking this question now, in 2012, forty years after abortion was ruled legal? Well, because now, in 2012, forty years after abortion was ruled legal, the technicality it was ruled legal on(personal privacy in health care decisions)is disappearing. I'm honestly curious where that leaves the original ruling(as I stated in my original post).