Going full hydro steering

[Fullsizexj]

well I have finally gotten into this project, I now have the ram fully mounted and am gonna remove the AGR power steering box and pump tomorrow and rplace it with a non resevoir pump, I plan to run an external resevoir/filter and a Dan Foss load reactive orbital valve that I purchased from Station over on the pirate bbs. I have Vintagespeed picking up all the fittings and hoses for me since this is the exact same system he just installed and he has the exact list of fitings I will need

[Beezil]

did you get your orbital valve yet?

station is the kind of guy you need to stay on his ass.

[Fullsizexj]

Yup I have everything but the hoses and fitings and those will be here very soon

[vintagespeed]

That'll never work.

-jb

[Beezil]

Originally Posted by vintagespeed

That'll never work.

-jb

yeah, he's pretty much screwed.

[JeepFreak21]

Originally Posted by Fullsizexj

well I have finally gotten into this project, I now have the ram fully mounted and am gonna remove the AGR power steering box and pump tomorrow and rplace it with a non resevoir pump, I plan to run an external resevoir/filter and a Dan Foss load reactive orbital valve that I purchased from Station over on the pirate bbs. I have Vintagespeed picking up all the fittings and hoses for me since this is the exact same system he just installed and he has the exact list of fitings I will need

How much is the whole thing costing ya?
Billy

[XJJPR]

And you thought it was a trailer queen before...

hinkley

[ashmanjeepxj]

Originally Posted by Fullsizexj

Yup I have everything but the hoses and fitings and those will be here very soon

Are you using a forklift style orb with out feedback?

[BrettM]

Originally Posted by JeepFreak21

How much is the whole thing costing ya?
Billy

someone just had a different full hydro post (vintagespeed?) in the last week or so and they outlined some of the major costs. if i recall; $475 for orbital, $60 for single ended ram, probably about $100 for lines and fittings, factor in some money for an extra resevoir and/or cooler. when i was considering full hydro, i figured i would need to budget about $800. i decide against it, but looking back, going crossover steering and hydro-assist will probably run me up around $600 anyway... hmm

[Fullsizexj]

Originally Posted by ashmanjeepxj

Are you using a forklift style orb with out feedback?

Nope, it is load reactive same as Vintagespeed is using

[vintagespeed]

Originally Posted by mad maXJ

someone just had a different full hydro post (vintagespeed?) in the last week or so and they outlined some of the major costs. if i recall; $475 for orbital, $60 for single ended ram, probably about $100 for lines and fittings, factor in some money for an extra resevoir and/or cooler. when i was considering full hydro, i figured i would need to budget about $800. i decide against it, but looking back, going crossover steering and hydro-assist will probably run me up around $600 anyway... hmm

The $475 is including the reservoir/filter/cooler unit.

In all, the crossover + hydro assist will probably cost you the same or more: steering arms $140 +++, DOM tubing $80 +++, Heims $240, AGR box $350, good ram $60 +++, fittings/hose $100 +++, spares $???

Another thing to consider with ram assist is that the ram has to follow perfectly with the steering box, if the steering box stops & the ram doesn't (or vice versa) something's gonna snap. This is why you see guys bitching about busting steering arms off their junk.......

Also the torque multiplication that goes along with ram assist is scary. The box generates force on the steering arm, the ram generates force on the steering arm, and YOU generate force on the steering arm.......uhhh yeah that's a perfect setup.

Hinky, I know I dont wheel, but if I did I'd let you feel this steering at speed & in the rocks, you might just eat your words.

-jb

[XJJPR]

Originally Posted by vintagespeed

Hinky, I know I dont wheel, but if I did I'd let you feel this steering at speed & in the rocks, you might just eat your words.

-jb

Keep dreaming in your garage!

Unless you went double it ain't going to drive good on the street and even then you ain't going to get too far.

hinkley

[JeepFreak21]

Originally Posted by Mark Hinkley

Keep dreaming in your garage!

Unless you went double it ain't going to drive good on the street and even then you ain't going to get too far.

hinkley

Didn't he just drive back from JV? Is he's in denial? or is he delusional? or are you just giving him sh!t?
Billy

[vintagespeed]

Originally Posted by Mark Hinkley

Keep dreaming in your garage!

Unless you went double it ain't going to drive good on the street and even then you ain't going to get too far.

hinkley

So far I've put about 300 highway miles on it. 70 on the freeway with no problem. Drove to JV & back with my kids in it, twice to Monrovia for training and twice to work. Gotta love it.

It rides better than it ever did since stock, short arms just plain suck at more than 6" lift.

No strange tendancies, the only thing I'd do different is get a steering valve (incorrectly called an orbital valve) that was fewer turns per second, this slows down the steering response a little bit, it's a bit twitchy at speed, but I dont drive it like it's a Ferrari.

We're doing Shredder in May Hinky, if you're up to it....

-jb

[JeepFreak21]

Originally Posted by JeepFreak21

Didn't he just drive back from JV? Is he's in denial? or is he delusional? or are you just giving him sh!t?
Billy

EDIT: I mean Vintage, not FullSize