Y-link style 3 link?

[Deadman 94 xj]

I couldnt tell if you were trolling, or being an idiot. Same thing, right? :shhh:


I agree and disagree with the suspension not meaning anything. I think people like Jes, Goatman and Vetteboy all know a thing or two about suspensions and what it takes to get them to work right. Why would they waste all that time, money and effort into building a 3/4 link and have it perform just as well as someone with an off the shelf long arm?

At the same time, how many people are really on the same level as those guys and can notice the added benefits of a custom 3/4 link vs a bolt on affair?

Side note, anyone know if beadlocks are legal?

Suddup. E-tough guy. My xj is better than yours lol. I come to these boards about once ever couple of months to read about the latest batch of BS. Most of you guys spend more time in the garage athan actually wheeling. I don't know you so I don't care if your feelings are hurt. Understand? I've read the arguments over and over again. I know in theory, on graphing paper the benefits of true 3-4 links over radius setups. My point is, shove that sh!t up your asss and go wheel.

 

[MoparManiac]

shove that sh!t up your asss

You gay.

 

[AIbandit]

you realize none of this sh!t means anything anyway.

If you've ever been rock crawling you'd understand how stupid this statement is. Quit E-thuggin and go back to your logging trails.

 

[Letterman]

At the same time, how many people are really on the same level as those guys and can notice the added benefits of a custom 3/4 link vs a bolt on affair?

Some may not be on the same level to notice any difference, but if it is set up right it can make some people better drivers.

The truly ignorant will not understand why any of it works, and just talk about how much they wheel and how they out wheeled others with out any clue as to what they are talking about.

 

[Deadman 94 xj]

All hail to the jeep cherokee gods lol. Get a life.

 

[beakie]

Suddup. E-tough guy. My xj is better than yours lol. I come to these boards about once ever couple of months to read about the latest batch of BS. Most of you guys spend more time in the garage athan actually wheeling. I don't know you so I don't care if your feelings are hurt. Understand? I've read the arguments over and over again. I know in theory, on graphing paper the benefits of true 3-4 links over radius setups. My point is, shove that sh!t up your asss and go wheel.

your post count would say otherwise, as would trolling (you can see who's viewing the thread at the bottom) 1 thread, 3 posts in 3 hours.
taking into account the countless build threads, followed by pictures of resulting builds in action, the years of trial and error knowledge, and the fact that some of these guys have been wheeling/competing with various "setups" longer than your maturity level would lead me to believe you've been alive (or atleast driving)...
I'd say your "knowledge of theory" pans out to very little
but all that said,
when I grow up, your what I want to be.

 

[jeeperjohn]

Basically, any setup you come up with that allows the suspension a good range of travel will get the job done. There are advantages to one setup over another but in the grand scheme of things, any safe suspension setup will get the job done. That being said, there are many folks on here (myself included) who have built their own suspensions and had very good luck with them. So ask apecific questions and have fun building your rig!

 

[kastein]

All hail to the jeep cherokee gods lol. Get a life.

Is 94 when you were born, or when your XJ was made, or both?

 

[Deadman 94 xj]

your post count would say otherwise, as would trolling 1 thread, 3 posts in 3 hours.
taking into account the countless build threads, followed by pictures of resulting builds in action, the years of trial and error knowledge, and the fact that some of these guys have been wheeling/competing with various "setups" longer than your maturity level would lead me to believe you've been alive (or atleast driving)...
I'd say your "knowledge of theory" pans out to very little
but all that said,
when I grow up, your what I want to be.

Here's one for you...NO. Now shuddup.

U Mad?

This is the first time I've been called a troll in all of my web wheeling experience. Feels good. You guys should get off of the interwebs for a while. Radius arms won't get the job done. Yeah. It's sad that newbs are so easily swayed by the E-engineers here.

If I ever see any of you up at RC or anywhere in PA I'll be sure to hook you up with a stap.

Later

 

[hot_rod_hooligans]

Thanks for all the helpful comments, I think I've got enough information to make an educated decision now.

I understand that the suspension setup that I am describing is still a radius arm, maybe I should have labeled the tittle as a 3-link style y-link? I also understand why radius arms are so undesirable over 3/4 links, more than just the binding that occurs, or doesn't occur. It's the inability to...... tune?, squat/anti-squat, and thats what can cause the "jacking" or "unloading" characteristics that is so common with them.

For now though, I don't think doing a 3-link is going to happen this time. I do not trailer this rig to or from the trails or do I have any immediate plans of doing so, though I do know that I will want to in the distant future. So street ability is still top priority, as well as comfort while driving. So no UCA mount in my drivers side footwell. Some day maybe, but not this go around.

 

[beakie]

For now though, I don't think doing a 3-link is going to happen this time. I do not trailer this rig to or from the trails or do I have any immediate plans of doing so, though I do know that I will want to in the distant future. So street ability is still top priority, as well as comfort while driving. So no UCA mount in my drivers side footwell. Some day maybe, but not this go around.

if your not doing the 3link + tracbar because of road worthyness I'd suggest it will work just fine. Otherwise RK and anyone who has designed and run their own wouldn't be running/selling them.

I run the TNT y-link, and have not experienced enough "unloading" or "binding" to sway me towards removing one of the upper arms, or going so far as to build a 3-link w/trac bar... but I may in the future if for no others reasons then to save a little space and have a removable skid/crossmember as opposed to the TNT piece, which is beefy but troublesome if doing front axle/tranny/tcase work.

U Mad?
If I ever see any of you up at RC or anywhere in PA I'll be sure to hook you up with a stap.
Later

mad, not at all, I am entertained by ignorance... needless to say I'm very entertained.

whats a "stap"?

 

[Deadman 94 xj]

^^PM sent

 

[89eliminator]

Basically, any setup you come up with that allows the suspension a good range of travel will get the job done. There are advantages to one setup over another but in the grand scheme of things, any safe suspension setup will get the job done. That being said, there are many folks on here (myself included) who have built their own suspensions and had very good luck with them. So ask apecific questions and have fun building your rig!

x2

 

[beakie]

^^PM sent

sadly your PM's are full, so I can't reply to your e-thuggery.


and just so this has something to do with the thread topic...

if deadman knows his long arms like he knows how to be tough... follow his advice like its gospel... gospel!

 

[kastein]

e-thugs do so amuse me... they never actually have the balls to show up or follow through :roflmao:

 

[Deadman 94 xj]

sadly your PM's are full, so I can't reply to your e-thuggery.


and just so this has something to do with the thread topic...

if deadman knows his long arms like he knows how to be tough... follow his advice like its gospel... gospel!

Yeah, because Clayton makes a bad kit....:laugh2:

 

[vetteboy]

Suddup. E-tough guy. My xj is better than yours lol. I come to these boards about once ever couple of months to read about the latest batch of BS. Most of you guys spend more time in the garage athan actually wheeling. I don't know you so I don't care if your feelings are hurt. Understand? I've read the arguments over and over again. I know in theory, on graphing paper the benefits of true 3-4 links over radius setups. My point is, shove that sh!t up your asss and go wheel.

You know what the irony here is?

I guess I wheel too much. Having to deal with the same problems and the same deficiencies several times a month when I'm towing my junk out 300 miles round trip gets old pretty fast. Let alone the 5000-mile trip to the Hammers and back that I did last year and am about to do again. So I've got much more incentive to fix crappy suspension geometry and upgrade inferior drivetrain parts than the average web wheeler.

Radius arms "work". You can drive the rig, you can go wheeling, you can make it home. Other things just work better, and I don't know anyone who has ever gone to a 3-link and said "damn, I want my radius arms back", nor do I know anyone who races/crawls competitively that will even touch a radius arm setup.

But no, there's no difference, it's all just webwheeling bullshit.

 

[Deadman 94 xj]

You know what the irony here is?

I guess I wheel too much. Having to deal with the same problems and the same deficiencies several times a month when I'm towing my junk out 300 miles round trip gets old pretty fast. Let alone the 5000-mile trip to the Hammers and back that I did last year and am about to do again. So I've got much more incentive to fix crappy suspension geometry and upgrade inferior drivetrain parts than the average web wheeler.

Radius arms "work". You can drive the rig, you can go wheeling, you can make it home. Other things just work better, and I don't know anyone who has ever gone to a 3-link and said "damn, I want my radius arms back", nor do I know anyone who races/crawls competitively that will even touch a radius arm setup.

But no, there's no difference, it's all just webwheeling bullshit.

We've already established that.
Man you guys are touchy. This is the irony. I've already said, I knew what the benefits are to a true 3-4 link setup. Look back a couple of posts, it's there.

Look through my post history, I'm sure I have said that before. I'm not an idiot. I've read the threads on pirate. My point is you get the average back woods hick like beaker there and they want to go spend $$ on aluminum tube when a Y link will work fine. There's nothing wrong with a Y link. I don't bind, my rear suspension is good enough to where I'm not worried about anti dive-squat. But yeah, my rig is inferior because it has a Y link setup.... I'm not competing here.

BTW, Why haven't I been nominated yet?

Oh and Beaker, I wasn't trying to be tough lol. I was simply being a "troll" as you put it. It was amusing. Haven't you ever not given a fawk?

 

[beakie]

We've already established that.
Man you guys are touchy. This is the irony. I've already said, I knew what the benefits are to a true 3-4 link setup. Look back a couple of posts, it's there.

Look through my post history, I'm sure I have said that before. I'm not an idiot. I've read the threads on pirate. My point is you get the average back woods hick like beaker there and they want to go spend $$ on aluminum tube when a Y link will work fine. There's nothing wrong with a Y link. I don't bind, my rear suspension is good enough to where I'm not worried about anti dive-squat. But yeah, my rig is inferior because it has a Y link setup.... I'm not competing here.

BTW, Why haven't I been nominated yet?

Oh and Beaker, I wasn't trying to be tough lol. I was simply being a "troll" as you put it. It was amusing. Haven't you ever not given a fawk?

your still talking?
you are so very entertaining tho.

 

[Deadman 94 xj]

LOL, I must have gotten to you enough to change your user title lol.

U still mad? BTW, how are the coversations going it the NWS area. I'm glad you guys are getting your $35 worth.