Wonder if they are getting nervous

In my youth when I used to backpack through Spain, the old grapevine told me quick, don't mess with the Guardia (no matter how funny there hats look don't laugh, they are bad arses).

You have to remember back then they answered directly to Franco and he answered to nobody, advantage of being a fascist dictator, thats why they were such badasses. However if you got called on the carpet by Franco you were in deep doo doo...
 
All I can say is this (the original article) scares me.
I have always said they (being anyone) can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead fingers...
Something like this is the first step in accomplishing that task.
Watch out for obama supporters... I am starting to get scared.
 
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You never hear of anybody getting beat for running, they just don't chase down a rabbit and beat it. But if you confront them, you may get one of those spring loaded riot sticks up side the head.

Oh the bumps and bruises I got from my beat down would like to disagree with you on that one. I ran and but was a bit to drunk to make it very far, ha ha. Oh well learned a hard lesson that day, ha ha.:roflmao:
 
I would say, yes they are getting nervous!
Read this!

Wow, that is a must read for all of us! Best article I have read out of hundreds the last few weeks!

Hell it sounds like all the world wide international shipping is or has come to a complete standstill with perishables sitting and rotting on the docs!
JEEEESSSSSEEEEEAWIS!

More bad news here:

http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/gateway.asp?ref=reprint

the credit freeze illness is spreading to Letters of Credit which means import/export comes to a standstill, construction lending into the ditch and more.

You have to enter an email address & will start getting his news letters. I've been getting them for 2 or 3 years and have never seen any evidence that the email is used for anything except to send out the newsletter.
 
I would say, yes they are getting nervous!
Read this!

Wow, that is a must read for all of us! Best article I have read out of hundreds the last few weeks!

Hell it sounds like all the world wide international shipping is or has come to a complete standstill with perishables sitting and rotting on the docs!
JEEEESSSSSEEEEEAWIS!



Interesting, my bank just doubled my credit limit and I did not even ask for it.
 
Interesting, my bank just doubled my credit limit and I did not even ask for it.

Banks are notorious for giving credit to those how can prove they don't need it.
 
Interesting, my bank just doubled my credit limit and I did not even ask for it.

This explains why you and I are still getting easy credit access! And why all the big deals are collapsing, and it's the big deals collapsing that is going to kill all of us, like no letters of credit for international commerce.

Imagine a huge artificial reduction in certain food supplies here (imported veggies and fruits) that get stuck at the ports overseas for weeks. Prices will go through the roof, temporary inflation which will add to the turmoil.

http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/printarticle.asp?id=mwo090508

I am also wondering where the rest of NAXJA went in these discusions? I know they did not all go to Moab.
 
Mike
We're a large farming company in central Ca. The majority of our crops are exported. We grow wine grapes, raisins, almonds, & pistachio's. I'm not sure what you would consider "big deals", but we've still have yet to see any sign of a problem from our banks or our distributors over seas. The sky is still up there & if I get a load of pistachio's defaulted on than you'll be the first to know. I know, Go take a tour of your produce section & report back.
 
Mike
We're a large farming company in central Ca. The majority of our crops are exported. We grow wine grapes, raisins, almonds, & pistachio's. I'm not sure what you would consider "big deals", but we've still have yet to see any sign of a problem from our banks or our distributors over seas. The sky is still up there & if I get a load of pistachio's defaulted on than you'll be the first to know. I know, Go take a tour of your produce section & report back.

Hm - the last few times my wife has gone to try to get lettuce (nothing exotic) for her salads at work, there hasn't been any. Do you know anything about that, perhaps? Has there been an ICE crackdown that wasn't in the news [/IRREVERENT SARCASM]
 
You know whats funny....

I just went to the NASCAR race Saturday night in Charlotte, NC (actually, Concord) - that place was PACKED.

My brother and I paid about $100 for our tickets...each...Cindy McCain got a HUGE ovation...

considering that the place was packed, and our "average" tickets were that much $$$, it really doesn't appear that the economy is doing that bad....
 
I am not the one that found this guy and his newsletter. Another member here posted his recent newsletter, and I followed the trail. I ended up reading about 50 pages of his newsletters going back to 12 months ago. I discovered this guy was reporting stuff weeks to months (some even 6 months) before they hit the national daily TV news. I found nothing in his statements that is not or did not turn out to be true this year.

You guys really should take the time and read his newsletters, I mentioned that he is Republican since he admitted the same, and he hates what is going on, but admits there is no other choice left other than another great depression if extraordinary steps are not take immediately, because certain steps were not taken 6 and 12 months ago, but instead were taken to late so far.

I have no personal knowledge of the letter of credit problem, but can only imagine them so far. I expect their to be many unpleasant surprises.
 
You know whats funny....

I just went to the NASCAR race Saturday night in Charlotte, NC (actually, Concord) - that place was PACKED.

My brother and I paid about $100 for our tickets...each...Cindy McCain got a HUGE ovation...

considering that the place was packed, and our "average" tickets were that much $$$, it really doesn't appear that the economy is doing that bad....

While I hope that sort of thing continues, glad to hear the good news, keep in mind everyone was having a good'ol time when Pearl Harbor was attacked, on 9/11, and in 1929......

I hope the international banking systems and governments get their act together next week, because if they don't the next couple of years will make the 1980's look like a party.

You are aware that the value of US companies has dropped about 20% in one week, and about 45% in the last year?

One thing I do know, is too much stuff that we depend on is made overseas now!

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I am do some digging, looks like our exports might be hurt, wheat, farmers!
Here is another discussion on it, they are taking it seriously.

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=260210
 
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"Just as the business world is dependent upon commercial paper as its life blood, the world of global trade depends on letters of credit (LOC). Without LOCs, the world of trade quickly freezes up. If you are a manufacturer of a product and want to sell to someone outside your borders, you typically require a letter of credit from the buyer before you load any cargo at a port. A letter of credit from a prime bank is considered to be proof of your ability to pay. It not only can be a source of ultimate payment, it can be a source of inventory financing while goods are in transit.
And if you are a business which is buying a product, you do not want to release money until you know the product is on the way. There are buyer's and seller's agents who make sure these things happen seamlessly, and world commerce had grown because of it.
Now we are starting to get anecdotal evidence that this extremely vital market is also freezing up. If you think the problems stemming from a meltdown with the commercial paper markets are threatening to the world economy, they are small potatoes when compared to a seizure in the letter of credit markets.
I had been thinking about this for a few weeks. Then an article posted on Naked Capitalist caught my eye. Quoting:
"At the end of the day, if every counterparty is bad then you don't have a market and you don't have an economy. I spoke to another friend of mine this afternoon, whose father has been in the shipping business forever. Pristine credit rating, rock solid balance sheet. He says if he takes his BNP Paribas letter of credit to Citi today for short term funding for his vessels, they won't give it to him. That means he can't ship goods, which means that within the next 2 weeks, physical shortages of commodities begin to show up. THE CENTRAL BANKS CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN OR WE HAVE NO ECONOMY, LET ALONE A CREDIT SYSTEM."
And they quote the following story from The Financial Post of Canada:
"The credit crisis is spilling over into the grain industry as international buyers find themselves unable to come up with payment, forcing sellers to shoulder often substantial losses.
"Before cargoes can be loaded at port, buyers typically must produce proof they are good for the money. But more deals are falling through as sellers decide they don't trust the financial institution named in the buyer's letter of credit, analysts said.
"'There are all kinds of stuff stacked up on docks right now that can't be shipped because people can't get letters of credit,' said Bill Gary, president of Commodity Information Systems in Oklahoma City. 'The problem is not demand, and it's not supply because we have plenty of supply. It's finding anyone who can come up with the credit to buy.'"



From:



http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6745.html
 
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/10/international-trade-seizing-up-due-to.html

Sounds like we may not see visible signs of this for a week or 2, but of it continues, it could get nasty quick in the metro cities.
Now would be a good time to startup a few companies that could produce what can't be imported. Nope, stupid idea, we can't even produce the base products to produce the finished products anymore.

As far as grains going bad, STORE THEM instead of letting them rot.
 
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