who ya voting for?

[choppedzj]

Yucca-man
thankyou for giving all those years to the corps. I was thinking out of pure emotion and not of thought.

One more thing guys, I will go and serve! There is no way around it. I'll do my best and don't want you guys thinking that I won't go and bail to Canada. Eventhough it's nice up there.

 

[Glenn B]

...............

 

[Darky]

Just to throw it out there since everyone believes Bush was alone in thinking Saddam had WMDs and that he lied to us...

Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real...."

Apparently John Kerry thought Saddam was a threat and had WMDs also...there's an e-mail going around that has a whole list of Democrat Senators and politicians and quotes from them stating their belief that Saddam is a threat and has WMDs.

 

[red91]

Just to throw it out there since everyone believes Bush was alone in thinking Saddam had WMDs and that he lied to us... Apparently John Kerry thought Saddam was a threat and had WMDs also...there's an e-mail going around that has a whole list of Democrat Senators and politicians and quotes from them stating their belief that Saddam is a threat and has WMDs.

I'm pretty SURE...saddam didn't just ask the KURDS to take their ball and go home.

Ya know...the thing that ****es me off is that we can find mass graves all over IRAQ and AMERICANS think this is ok as long as we don't find the WMD's.
Where's the Human Rights commision, and why don't they say anything?

 

[Goatman]

i think your igonorance proceeds you. A hidden agenda to suck the oil right out of Iraq and for Bush to capitalize on it. So please read more in depth. Did you serve. Would you die for oil. Do you meet the weight and height requirements to even enlist.

I can't believe anyone actually thinks that.......it's absurd. A President of this nation sending people to war just to make his family money? Totally rediculous!! I think you're own ignorance is glaringly obvious. You can acuse the President of many things, and you can have any number of disagreements about the war, but to say it's to benefit the wealth of a family, or a particular company, is ignorant and naive.

Regardless of what I think about your opinion on the war, I appreciate your service to our country, and I hope you don't have to go back in.

 

[Yucca-Man]

FYI - I'm not retired..many years ago I made the poor decision to "show them" and walked away as a Sergeant of Marines from the greatest 12 years of my life. It looked like crap then but as I look back on it I realize I was a small cog in a greater thing. I've known Marines who didn't come back, and I know the families of others. I miss them all, even the ones I have never met but take umbrage at the fantasy-induced thoughts that they died in vain for some profit-driven hidden motive.

I hope you don't have to go, but if you do then keep your head down and do what you can to protect your fellow sailors, Marines, soldiers, even airmen and the people of Iraq.

 

[red91]

FYI - I'm not retired..many years ago I made the poor decision to "show them" and walked away as a Sergeant of Marines from the greatest 12 years of my life. It looked like crap then but as I look back on it I realize I was a small cog in a greater thing. I've known Marines who didn't come back, and I know the families of others. I miss them all, even the ones I have never met but take umbrage at the fantasy-induced thoughts that they died in vain for some profit-driven hidden motive.

Thank you for your serivce Yucca. atriot:

I hope you don't have to go, but if you do then keep your head down and do what you can to protect your fellow sailors, Marines, soldiers, even airmen and the people of Iraq.

What he said.

 

[Economos]

Economos: I know there were bad things happeneing, I'm not disputing that. What I said was that accusing everyone over there fighting and dying of committing crimes like those is wrong. I know not everyone was a good well behaved soldier or Marine. But I also know that not everyone, in fact I'd say not even a majority were doing the things he spoke of. If you read the first writeup for his Silver Star it sounds very much like he himself chased down and shot a fleeing enemy in the back. But then he had it rewritten not once but twice to get rid of the "yucky" stuff that could make him look bad. If people want to read some stuff about Kerry, his past, and his present, check out this site. Its got some cool info. Yes it is partisan but if you think they'd be able to get away with making up every bit of info there, you're delusional.

BlackSport, I think you missed my point here. While it is factual that US soldiers did committ war crimes, you also need to be aware that their commanding officers gave the orders. And the orders that were given to them, came from above and so-on... Along the way, mis-interpretation of orders occured and things got messy in some cases. I'm sure that in a lot of cases, soldiers acted on their own and that's no one's fault but their own. And what a lot of people forget about is the war crimes that the NVA and Vietcong committed against civilians and POWs.

Kerry's protests weren't directed to the average soldier fighting in Vietnam; they were directed to the people who were deciding how the war was being run - those who probably had no idea what it was like to fight an enemy like the NVA and Vietcong.

 

[Urban Redneck]

Where's the Human Rights commision, and why don't they say anything?

Is that being run by Libya or Communist China for the UN? And you wonder why they aren't saying anything...

I don't gave a rats ass on what Kerry "thought" when he spoke out when he came back. He bagged on his fellow soliders. Nuff said. Anyone who "commits a great act of heroism" to get a Bronze Star then goes back and films it is a total Asshat. And when did the Navy hand out Purple Hearts for getting rice imbedded in your ass by a flash bang you set off yourself? Kerry follows in the modern slogan of Demo-craps..."Don't ask what you can do for your country, demand what your country can do for you."

BTW, is Clinton going to be cutting the ribbon up in Canada for the "Ditchers of the War" monument? :greensmok

 

[red91]

Is that being run by Libya or Communist China for the UN? And you wonder why they aren't saying anything...

actually that would be sarcasm.

I don't gave a rats ass on what Kerry "thought" when he spoke out when he came back. He bagged on his fellow soliders. Nuff said. Anyone who "commits a great act of heroism" to get a Bronze Star then goes back and films it is a total Asshat. And when did the Navy hand out Purple Hearts for getting rice imbedded in your ass by a flash bang you set off yourself? Kerry follows in the modern slogan of Demo-craps..."Don't ask what you can do for your country, demand what your country can do for you."

amazing that he can tell of all the atrocities commited, but yet had nothing to do with them. Seems if he's calling one brother a murderer and a rapist, either he was there and a willing participant, or he's hmmmm LYING !!

BTW, is Clinton going to be cutting the ribbon up in Canada for the "Ditchers of the War" monument? :greensmok

Hillary won't let him.

 

[Goatman]

As for the AWOL and swift boat stuff - who cares. This should be about the issues. The world is a more dangerous place today than it was four years ago, and our economy is worse than it was four years ago. And wheeling doesn't much come into play as a voting issue for me if it costs me $2.25 a gallon for gas and I can't afford to take a trip to Moab anyway.

world is more dangerous........economy is worse........gas is too expensive.......I can't afford to wheel. :rattle: :rattle:

What a whiner.........



Yeah, and this is the presidents fault. Terrorists, economic cycles, the world economy, and congress don't have anything to do with it.


Sorry bro', just sounds like a lot of whining to me.

 

[hjeepxj]

Kerry didn't protest the sacrifices of the soldiers in Vietnam; he protested the policies in which the war was being run by and he criticised the bureaucrats who were calling the shots from their airconditioned offices back in DC while good men died in their wake. And if you don't think there were atrocious acts committed during Vietnam, go research the Mei Lei Massacre.

They had airconditioning in the 60s?

:greensmok :laugh:

 

[Poison]

world is more dangerous........economy is worse........gas is too expensive.......I can't afford to wheel. :rattle: :rattle:

What a whiner.........



Yeah, and this is the presidents fault. Terrorists, economic cycles, the world economy, and congress don't have anything to do with it.


Sorry bro', just sounds like a lot of whining to me.

So no effect on anything then why have one?

 

[CW]

The framers of the constitution purposfully made the executive branch the weakest of the three. Yes, they influence what legislation passes and overall policy but, it is rediculous to say it's the presidents fault for the high price of gas (which is still a lot less than the rest of the world pays) or the economy. The terrorist attacks of 9/11 and the tech. bubble burst are largely responsible for the slowing down of the economy, not the president.
If you like to go offroading there is one party that adresses your needs a lot better than the other. Trails are beginning to open up around here that were closed five or six years ago and I would hate to see them close up again.

 

[Osprey413]

The simply fact of the matter is that the Bush family has an overwhelming amount of stock in oil, and Cheney also has an overwhelming amount of stock in oil. To think that Bush didn't think about all the money he could make from this war is neive. Plus, this is a family war for Bush. Sadam threatened his father, so Bush believe's it is his duty to take revenge. We have liberated Iraq from Sadam, and that is it. Crime is up, terrorism is up, economy is down. Iraq is in a state of chaos because we went over there and destroyed their country.
Unfortunently all the Bush supporters keep on referring to a bunch of lies, that have been proven to be lies. Yes, many democrats voted "Yes" for the war in Iraq... when the plan was to disarm Sadam. Yes, many democrats then changed their minds about the war in Iraq... because the main purpose for the war changed. You Republicans keep on saying that the democrats changed their minds when it served them best, which is simply untrue.
I do not hate or bash the troops in Iraq, because they have no choice. I also know that there are troops in Iraq who are completely for and completely against the war in Iraq. So no one here who has served in the military can speak for the entire military. Bush is the reason we are there.

I am through arguing with you people about this subject. The bush supporters will always be bush supporters, and the kerry supporters will always be kerry supporters. My final comment is: In the next four years, Kerry or Bush, when we find out what Bush's actual reason for going into Iraq.... all I will have to say is "I told you so".

 

[Osprey413]

I just read CW's post that I must respond to. It is the president's fault that gas prices are higher, and it is the presidents fault that we are in Iraq. You know why? Because Bush didn't have approval from congress to go into Iraq, which legally makes this not a war. Bush is solely responsable for our action in Iraq.

 

[Glenn B]

I just read CW's post that I must respond to. It is the president's fault that gas prices are higher, and it is the presidents fault that we are in Iraq. You know why? Because Bush didn't have approval from congress to go into Iraq, which legally makes this not a war. Bush is solely responsable for our action in Iraq.

Can you show me some verifiable proof that President Bush has raised the gas prices? Likewise, how much would the junior Sen. from Mass be lowering that price, and on what timeline?

As for Iraq. Huh?? Even Kerry said he voted for it, and approved it... in one of his positions.

 

[Economos]

They had airconditioning in the 60s?

:greensmok :laugh:

Hell if I know mate, I was born in '82. :dunce:

 

[Poison]

The framers of the constitution purposfully made the executive branch the weakest of the three. Yes, they influence what legislation passes and overall policy but, it is rediculous to say it's the presidents fault for the high price of gas (which is still a lot less than the rest of the world pays) or the economy. The terrorist attacks of 9/11 and the tech. bubble burst are largely responsible for the slowing down of the economy, not the president.
If you like to go offroading there is one party that adresses your needs a lot better than the other. Trails are beginning to open up around here that were closed five or six years ago and I would hate to see them close up again.

I want to vote for the man that will do the best for the USA and it's people, not what's best for their party. Don't see that happening with either man, gotta keep that party money coming in......

 

[Poison]

They had airconditioning in the 60s?

:greensmok :laugh:

Not at my house.......