What's wrong with FRAM

[xcm]

if you look past joe_peters comment, then right past old_man's, you deserve a XXXXed engine.

sometimes you just take peoples words for stuff, i dont understand why people must defend a product they use, because it hasnt XXXXed them yet....

the idea of using the cheapest part, regardless of what kind of part, is stupid. im not THAT broke!

everything that needs to be said, has been said, if you want to ignore it, and run the fram, GO FOR IT. nobody gives a shit what filter you use in your jeep, theyre just trying to help you out...

it's not a conspiracy...

 

[nblanton]

I had used Motorcraft FL1A for a number of years, mostly for the extra capacity. But, I found out on the aforementioned thread, that Fram also makes them.

Could you link that thread? I've always used the correct replacement FL842 Motorcraft filter on my Jeep and my friends' Jeeps as well. Occasionally I'll stick the Mopar filter on there, but those are the only two filters I ever use. As far as I knew, all the Motorcraft filters are manufactured either in the USA, Canada, or Mexico by Puralator. I generally use Motorcraft filters on Ford and Chryco vehicles and AC Delco on GM. My European vehicles get either Mann or Mahle filters, and my Japanese vehicles (Hondas and Toyotas) get O.E.M. filters (made by Honeywell in the case of Honda) that I buy by the case on Ebay when I see a good deal.

 

[nblanton]

Double post

 

[heyhar]

How do you change oil filter without making a mess?

I don't know how to post a link to another post, but I searched and this is the title. Started 12.01.2009, last entry was 01.06.2010. It's a good read!

 

[bchulett]

Everything you need to know about filters and who makes them: http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/index.html

WIX or NAPA GOLD (made by Wix).

Why would a company find it necessary to manufacture FIVE different filters to fit my 1990 4.0????? Extended Guard, Tough Guard, High Mileage, Double Guard, Extra Guard?????

I don't think so. Some one in the Marketing Department is having wet dreams.

Simple.. shelf space in the retail environment. The more shelf space they use the less space there is for the competition. They sell on volume through marketing schemes and using low cost designs and components - but they have pretty graphics!

Most people don't know the difference.

Trash your FRAMS ... unless you are using the Fram HP Series filter, which you CAN'T use on the 4.0L because I don't think they make one that fits.

HEED THIS WARNING... GOD WILL STRIKE YOU DEAD IF YOU USE A FRAM !

:soapbox:
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[kastein]

Not saying this is a viable option when doing something like a RMS. However when I lived in an apartment I would pull my car to a spot on the other side of the complex and work on it at like 3am. Doing simple oil changes and stuff were easy but I sure must have looked nuts out there with jack stands and such. No one ever said anything or noticed that I was ever aware of.

I bet someone in your area would offer up a drive way space for you to change the RMS though. I would be posting in my local forum and getting that taken care of.

As for the BP comparison, you are spewing oil in your own backyard ruining your own favorite places to wheel. BP might be everyones problem but you are directly causing your own issues. :skull2:

Can't do that. There are security cameras all over the building, I was asked if I was working on my car simply because I had some parts sitting in the back of the MJ. Fyi, the MJ (the one leaking like a sieve) is my daily driver and rarely leaves pavement.

 

[iwannadie]

Simple.. shelf space in the retail environment. The more shelf space they use the less space there is for the competition. They sell on volume through marketing schemes and using low cost designs and components - but they have pretty graphics!

Most people don't know the difference.

Yea, go into a walmart and you have the entire shelf covered with Fram, then off to the side might be 1 other choice. They want the choice to be "Which Fram?" not "Which filter, Fram or Brand X ?".

 

[ParadiseXJ]

Simple.. GOD WILL STRIKE YOU DEAD IF YOU USE A FRAM !.

Now THAT I can understand.
:firedevil

 

[iwannadie]

Fyi, the MJ (the one leaking like a sieve) is my daily driver and rarely leaves pavement.

Just what I love to see when I'm riding my motorcycle around a tight curve, fresh wet oil... :wow:

 

[FlexdXJ]

but I have nowhere to fix it right now... NO VEHICLE MAINTENANCE

Now why in the world would a jeep owner live in a place like that. thats like living on a lake that has signs saying No boats allowed! :doh:

 

[xcm]

Not saying this is a viable option when doing something like a RMS. However when I lived in an apartment I would pull my car to a spot on the other side of the complex and work on it at like 3am. Doing simple oil changes and stuff were easy but I sure must have looked nuts out there with jack stands and such. No one ever said anything or noticed that I was ever aware of.

i too like late night wrenching... i just dont like when neighbors make tweaker comments.

How do you change oil filter without making a mess?

I don't know how to post a link to another post, but I searched and this is the title. Started 12.01.2009, last entry was 01.06.2010. It's a good read!

ive got an in'n'out(cali burger joint) food tray, its about 6x12x1.5" deep, i put it on top of the passenger side upper control arm, it catches 100%. its a fine trick, i wish i could take credit for!

Just what I love to see when I'm riding my motorcycle around a tight curve, fresh wet oil... :wow:

it cant be THAT BAD, my jeep leaks pretty bad (im lazy). but it doesnt leave a stream.... besides, you accepted the risk when you got on a motorcycle. maybe you should get a high end luxory car with stability control, if that 90% safe commute is what you are after.

 

[Death Proof XJ]

Everyone I know thats uses fram always says "cuz their cheap and I've never had a problem with them". Why not buy a filter with alot better reputation for the same price. I mean like a regular Purolator cost the same as a Fram at Advance and has alot better rep.

 

[kastein]

Now why in the world would a jeep owner live in a place like that. thats like living on a lake that has signs saying No boats allowed! :doh:

Because my home purchase was cancelled by the seller 3 days before my lease ended and the new tenant was due to move in :flamemad:

As for oil pools on the road, if I left that kind of trail doing 65mph I think I'd go through a lot more than a quart every 150 miles!

 

[gradon]

I stopped using Frams many years ago when I realized that my oil pressure would be 10psi lower if I continued to do so. Orange is cool and so is the rubber grip, but that's it. I swear by the Mobil M1-301 filter.

 

[FlexdXJ]

Because my home purchase was cancelled by the seller 3 days before my lease ended and the new tenant was due to move in :flamemad:

Dude, that sucks! I figured you were smarter than that I was just checking!

As for filters I picked up a Mopar one today for my oil change.

 

[lawsoncl]

Yea, go into a walmart and you have the entire shelf covered with Fram, then off to the side might be 1 other choice. They want the choice to be "Which Fram?" not "Which filter, Fram or Brand X ?".

Walmart also squeezes their suppliers very hard. Its very likely the production runs for Walmart use cheaper components. This is evident in many of the products sold at Walmart, as often the identical product sold at another store will have a different UPC number on it as well. You often see this as the Walmart version of food products are slightly smaller for the same price.

Personally, I stopped using Fram due to dry starts and plugging up. It would take 5-10 seconds longer to see oil pressure on the dash guage when using the Fram. After 3000 miles my idle oil pressure was non-existant until I replaced the filter. I don't experience the dry starts or the plugging with Napa silver (wix) filters. It's worth the extra $1 to me.

 

[bchulett]

Walmart also squeezes their suppliers very hard. Its very likely the production runs for Walmart use cheaper components. This is evident in many of the products sold at Walmart, as often the identical product sold at another store will have a different UPC number on it as well. You often see this as the Walmart version of food products are slightly smaller for the same price.

Personally, I stopped using Fram due to dry starts and plugging up. It would take 5-10 seconds longer to see oil pressure on the dash guage when using the Fram. After 3000 miles my idle oil pressure was non-existant until I replaced the filter. I don't experience the dry starts or the plugging with Napa silver (wix) filters. It's worth the extra $1 to me.

The very reason I stopped using FRAM.... I started experiencing the same issues. I'm the original owner, 1991 XJ, and used FRAM from the beginning. This was just a continuum from the 1970s when I bought my first vehicle - I've always used FRAM.

Then in 1999 or thereabout, from one oil change to the next, I started getting dry starts and noticed the oil pressure dropped about 10-15 psi - I thought my XJ was starting to fail. It had about 110K miles on it at the time.

The next oil change I started using a K&N and the dry starts stopped... and my oil pressure went back to normal. My XJ has 171K miles on it now and it purrs like a kitten - and its never been apart.

I WILL NEVER use FRAM filters again...

My 1991 XJ and 2010 Grand Cherokee SRT gets MOPAR filters with Mobil One oil.

My 2002 Chevrolet Express Van 3500 1 Ton with 496ci Big Block gets a Purolator Classic and Pennzoil.

GET RID OF YOUR FRAM FILTERS ! HEED THIS WARNING YOU SINNERS !

!!!1

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[ptf18]

Gee Fellows. Ive used Fram filters on my "88" XJ since I bought it new...in 1988. With 280K on it the thing runs like a top. I do mostly highway driving with it, never any offroad stuff.

I do notice that when I change the upside down filter alot of oil drains out of it BUT that may be due to the fact that I change oil right after Ive driven the XJ and the engine is HOT.

Come to think about it several oil changes ago (I do mine every 5k) I remember pulling the pan plug and draining the oil after I got home from work. I left the filter change till morning and noticed that not much oil came out of the filter. I thought I was on to a great idea. Leave the filter sit overnight so I didnt make a mess with a hot, oil filled filter.

Now you all got me thinking that perhaps the anti-drainback valve wasnt working and thats why the filter didnt have much oil it the next morning.

Are you all finding you filters still full of oil even if you pull them several hours after draining the pan?

 

[joe_peters]

Gee Fellows. Ive used Fram filters on my "88" XJ since I bought it new...in 1988. With 280K on it the thing runs like a top. I do mostly highway driving with it, never any offroad stuff.

I do notice that when I change the upside down filter alot of oil drains out of it BUT that may be due to the fact that I change oil right after Ive driven the XJ and the engine is HOT.

Come to think about it several oil changes ago (I do mine every 5k) I remember pulling the pan plug and draining the oil after I got home from work. I left the filter change till morning and noticed that not much oil came out of the filter. I thought I was on to a great idea. Leave the filter sit overnight so I didnt make a mess with a hot, oil filled filter.

Now you all got me thinking that perhaps the anti-drainback valve wasnt working and thats why the filter didnt have much oil it the next morning.

Are you all finding you filters still full of oil even if you pull them several hours after draining the pan?

I can't speak for all of the others, but my Wix filters--vertically mounted, face down--are still full of oil even if I don't change the filter until the next day (the neighbors and the city get kind of pissy after 10 p.m.). Of course Wix uses a silicone anti-drain back valve of good design--something that can't be said about certain nitrile rubber valves.

 

[iwannadie]

With my horizontal mounted napa gold filter it sure seems to hold a lot of oil when I change it. I change my oil typically when the motor is still warm/hot and can pour out a bit of oil then a lot more seems trapped in the filter. Holding a new filter and my used one side by side makes the weight(trapped oil) difference very noticeable.

I pre-fill my filters with 1/2 a quart or more of oil before installing them, I would guess that's how much is in there when I remove the old one.

I keep saying I am going to start cutting open my used filters to see what's going on inside and get a solid idea of how much is trapped.