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49 state emission package vehicles are sold new in every state except CA. 50 state emission package vehicles are sold new in every state that they can be dumped in when supply exceeds demand in CA.

Check your emission decal under the hood.

Now there's a plausible theory. I'll have to have a peek at the sticker later on.
 
Now there's a plausible theory. I'll have to have a peek at the sticker later on.

Certainly plausible, but there's also another explanation: states other than California have been using California emissions standards since about the early-/mid-'90s. New York is one of them - in fact, I believe they were one of if not the first to adopt CA emissions standards outside of CA.
 
Yeah, I mentioned New York in my earlier post because I know at some point while wandering around the dealerships here in CA I've seen reference made to a CA/NY emissions package mentioned on the window sticker.
 
Yeah, I mentioned New York in my earlier post because I know at some point while wandering around the dealerships here in CA I've seen reference made to a CA/NY emissions package mentioned on the window sticker.

*Nod* The whole 49-/50-State vehicle thing is pretty much a misnomer these days: my understanding is that most manufacturers are tending (where possible) towards building a single vehicle that meets all applicable standards and just badging it per whatever the requirements are in the state it's being sold in. Even if they are building to Federal and/or California-spec separately, given how many States have gone over to the CARB standards, the nomenclature still doesn't fit anymore.

I'd be happy to see CARB die an unpleasant and protracted death, but that's another matter entirely.

if it is a CA/NY thing it only goes to show that those states have ENTIRELY way too many people living in one dang spot!!! (L.A. & NYC)

At present, the list is Arizona, California, Connecticut, DC, Maine, Maryland, Massachussetts, New Jersey, part of New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Just hang on another few years and you'll get to embrace the suck for yourself, I'm sure.
 
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At present, the list is Arizona, California, Connecticut, DC, Maine, Maryland, Massachussetts, New Jersey, part of New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Just hang on another few years and you'll get to embrace the suck for yourself, I'm sure.


part of the reason i moved out of Penna. after i stopped working for a garage (i did the inspections/emmissions testing there, along with a crap-load of other things!) i knew the XJ would have a hard time ever passing it again.
 
@fyrfytr1717 Those are the coolest damn battery cables I ever seen. Where did you get them?

All home made... Welding cable, QuickCable Fusion Solder Connectors, and adhesive lined heat shrink tubing in red and black to differentiate positive and negative. Some of the pre-made sets are nice, but building them yourself allows you to make them the exact length you want so the bends all end up exactly where you want them.
 
part of the reason i moved out of Penna. after i stopped working for a garage (i did the inspections/emmissions testing there, along with a crap-load of other things!) i knew the XJ would have a hard time ever passing it again.

Here's the thing: my main gripe with CA's emission laws is more down to the fact that it rather arrogantly creates a two-tiered system within the country as a whole (thus directly affecting consumers), and it's one that the State of California abused for its own benefit (e.g. the $300 'fee' to register a non-CA-emissions vehicle in CA) for years. That doesn't even cover the capriciousness with which it is used from a legal standpoint against owners of certain types of vehicles (which I have been on the receiving end of), or the authority of CARB to act in that capacity.

I'm actually fine with keeping a vehicle's emissions system intact and functional, and don't really have a problem with that being tested as part of a State inspection. The reality is that (even under CA regs) the vehicle only has to be emissions-compliant for its year of manufacture - it can't have a later, more stringent standard retroactively applied to it, so it's not like it's having to hit a moving target. Just keep whatever was originally in place working and you're good to go (and, frankly, in an XJ it makes sense to do so since it will directly affect fuel economy).
 
I grew up in the Bay Area and watched when Emission Controls first made thier appearance. The air was so bad that some days it just was not fit to breathe. Especially in SoCal. As difficult as CARB is to deal with, they started the emission requirements that we all love today. We should be glad of it. Go overseas to, say, India and try to breathe that air.

The bit about only having to make the year specific requirements is actually Federal. All the States practice it. Only caveat is importing a vehicle from out of country. But then emissions would be the least of the worries. Safety issues are the downer...

Emission Standards FORCED American manufacturers to go to EFI. Europe had it for decades. Bosch practically invented it as a replacement for the mechanical system. I know, Corvettes had mechanical fuel injection. For what 2 years? Maybe three? It was expensive and Auto manufacturers were all about the bottom line. Look at some of the engines we have. Small block Ford started as a 221cuin (1962) and grew to 351cuin. SBC much the same way, technically 1917, but in this form since 1955. Care to guess just how long the 4.0 block has been around in one form or another? How about 1958, as a 3.2 Liter.

I guess the point is that as irritating as the CARB is, they do serve a purpose. When I lived in NorCal, the State had more vehicles registered in it then the rest of the US combined.
 
I grew up in the Bay Area and watched when Emission Controls first made thier appearance.

FWIW, I remember that era - when I was a really small kid (late '70s / early '80s) we were living in L.A.

The air was so bad that some days it just was not fit to breathe. Especially in SoCal.

Agreed; I can remember days where we weren't allowed out on the playground because the air quality was so poor. Having said that:

As difficult as CARB is to deal with, they started the emission requirements that we all love today. We should be glad of it.

While I won't knock cleaner air, the reality is that there was already a Federal mandate for emissions control devices dating back to (IIRC) 1968. The Federal requirements were never intended to be set in stone, but rather to improve over time. Had CARB not existed (or kept their hands out of automotive emissions), the air quality would have improved anyway as technology and the Federal requirements progressed - not to mention as older, more-polluting vehicles went out of service and were replaced with newer, cleaner-running models.

IMHO, CARB should have stuck to addressing non-automotive sources of air pollution. I won't argue that what they were trying to achieve with automotive regulations was essentially a good thing, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions; if you want someone to thank for the lack of midsized diesel engines in light trucks and 4x4s, thank CARB. They made it so bloody difficult to certify a diesel for passenger-vehicle use in California that it was unattractive for manufacturers to try to meet their ever-changing standards - and if you can't sell a car in California (itself the nation's largest new-car market) or any of the other CARB states, you'll never make your money back on it. The CRD KJ is a good example of this, as are the TDi VW Touaregs.

Go overseas to, say, India and try to breathe that air.

I've been to India. I've also been to Mexico City. I'll take Calcutta or New Delhi over the DF any day of the week for air quality, and that's without ever having had the China experience which I understand to be even worse. From what I can tell, India is at least making an effort; China and Mexico appear to be largely trying to ignore the problem and hope that nobody notices. This isn't to say that any of the above are necessarily good in this regard, but what's happening outside of the context of the US isn't necessarily applicable to situations here (or even in Europe, the next-nearest reasonable comparison).

The bit about only having to make the year specific requirements is actually Federal. All the States practice it.

Yes, but it's also a practice that (to the best of my knowledege) is codified in most States' respective legislation covering automotive emissions.

Emission Standards FORCED American manufacturers to go to EFI.

Agreed, and it also forced the foreign manufacturers to do the same. In that sense it was a good thing. However:

Europe had it for decades.

Be careful with this statement.

I grew up - and reached driving age - in Europe. Ireland, specifically. Europe-wide, fuel injection was a typically-expensive option on virtually all cars up until about the mid-'90s, and usually reserved for the performance models within a range. The most common way to get fuel injection as standard in Europe up to that point? Buy a diesel.

The other thing is that there were no common Europe-wide emissions standards until about 1993-1995. Austria was selling unleaded fuel without requiring catalytic converters in about 1987, but leaded was the norm just about everywhere right up into the early '90s. You could even buy leaded petrol fairly widely (though it was being phased out) up until the middle of the last decade. Until I moved to California in 1998, I'd never owned a vehicle with any kind of emissions control on it. I'd had injected vehicles, but those were mostly bought and sold on for beer money when I was in college.

Bear in mind also that the ex-Eastern Bloc countries admitted to the EU are still in a catch-up phase on all of this. They've gotten much better in this regard, but it was still possible to buy a carburetted vehicle new in some of these countries until a few years ago. I'm not sure what the current state of play with them is, but the overall point is this: it took Europe 20 years to catch up to where the US was in 1975. Granted, there was the benefit of having 20 years' improvement in emissions control technology to start with, but that didn't stop Dublin having the a surprisingly-similar smog problem to c.1980 Los Angeles right up to about 10 years ago - though an argument could be made that both cities' geographic layouts is also a largely-contributing factor.
 
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All home made... Welding cable, QuickCable Fusion Solder Connectors, and adhesive lined heat shrink tubing in red and black to differentiate positive and negative. Some of the pre-made sets are nice, but building them yourself allows you to make them the exact length you want so the bends all end up exactly where you want them.

awesome :thumbup:
 
My 72 Mercedes was EFI...

CARB was formed in '67, EPA emissions '70.

I left NorCal in '75 for good after being assigned to Ent AFB here in Colorado Springs. Born in Redwood City, raised in Sunnyvale, HS in Half Moon Bay, then off the the AF (Draft Number of 60, so I enlisted. Got my Draft Notice while at Basic) for fun and games.
 
My 72 Mercedes was EFI...

Yes. But bear in mind that your Mercedes was probably built to US specifications, which were typically higher than European specs. That same car - in Europe - would likely have had that EFI reserved as one of the higher-spec options. Carburettors on Mercedes weren't unusual up to the '90s in Europe depending on trim level and engine selection, and injection on run-of-the-mill cars (again, excepting performance models) was nowhere near the norm.

CARB was formed in '67, EPA emissions '70.

Hm, OK. Guess my memory was off on that slightly. However, I do seem to recall that there was a period Federally-mandating certain emissions levels prior to the EPA taking them over in 1970 - does this sound familiar? I'm just wondering if I'm confusing parts of the California and Federal requirements of the time.

Reason I ask is that the '69 Fiat 850 Spider I had in California a few years back had a sticker in the engine bay stating that it was exempted from emissions requirements due to the engine capacity being less than 50 cubic inches. It's sticking in my head that this was a Federal exemption, but could be off on that.
 
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By the way, my 99 FSM identifies this gadget as part of the "Leak detection pump system" installed only on certain emission packages, state not specified.

It utilizes a diaphragm pump to pressurize the fuel system on cold starts to test for leaks in the evap. system. The part shown in the picture above is the filter for the pump.

My 99, bought new in Massachusetts, does not have it, fortunately.
 
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