WEAPONS BAN

[tbburg]

..,Fienstein has a bill ready that will turn ar-15s into class three weapons which would require a yearly fee to keep that gun....up to two hundred dollars per rifle,..

The "fee" is not a fee, it's a tax. It's a one time payment when you apply for the tax permit to own the class three device.(Yes, the registration document is a tax stamp.)
It currently takes between 4 and 6 months to clear the process and receive the paperwork so you can take delivery of your class three device.(I have 2 machine gun dealers right down the street, and I regularly ask them about that)Used to only take 6-8 weeks,.. the general assumption is BATF drags their feet on approvals just to mess with you.

The problem with the Feinstein bill, even if they grandfathered in ALL the weapons covered,(last time they did this, they gave the country 60 days to register weapons.) You'd be in a position where you can't sell, or even give away(or will to you kid) any weapon you currently own, unless the "transferee" pays the tax, passes the background check, gets fingerprinted, gets a letter from local law enforcement stating he/she is a citizen in good standing, and waits whatever period BATF decided they need to register the paperwork. Her bill also freezes production, so say goodby to buying a new one.

By the way, currently a class three device is "a machine gun, short barreled rifle(under 16"), short barreled shotgun(under 18" or 34"OAL) sound suppressor, or other destructive device." The Feinstein bill would change the first part of that to "any gun that fires cartridge ammunition that isn't a single shot-minus a specific named list that the director of BATF can change at any time"

 

[tbburg]

first heller, then mcdonald...the next 2a case that needs to stand before SCOTUS is a ruling that makes all fee-based schemes unconstitutional.

Don't hold your breath for that. The reason BATF is in charge of the machine gun registry is because it's been decided that a fee based structure is legal as long as it's a revenue raising scheme. That's why the registration form for a class three device is a tax stamp.

 

[Beezil]

Don't hold your breath for that. The reason BATF is in charge of the machine gun registry is because it's been decided that a fee based structure is legal as long as it's a revenue raising scheme. That's why the registration form for a class three device is a tax stamp.

at the very least, i'd like to see fee-based registration of pistols rifles and shotguns ruled unconstitutional by scotus asap.

we have a zillion lawsuits going in illinois right now, and it looks like moore vs madigan (ccw ruled unconstitutional by the 7th circuit) is going to be headed that way. madigan has until jan 8th to decide.

this is going to be followed by a barrage of others.

we're a winning the judicial battle, which requires funding.

while i'm at it, i'd like to urge people to think about a new or renewal membership to the nra, goa, saf, etc.

 

[DrMoab]

You guys are acting like this bill has already passed.

I see some sort of bill coming but not this one the way it's written.

 

[Beezil]

You guys are acting like this bill has already passed.

I see some sort of bill coming but not this one the way it's written.

nothing wrong with a little prep doctor.

from the raw description, it doesn't sound like it has a chance.

even still, it helps to talk about the legislative poop flinging when it comes up.

look what happened in england.

their gun owners sat on their hands and convinced each other that their government would NEVER resort to absolute abolishment.....until it came.

 

[tbburg]

You guys are acting like this bill has already passed.

I see some sort of bill coming but not this one the way it's written.

This won't pass. It won't even come up for a vote. It is interesting that she put it up that way though. Most of the time they come up with some outrageous scheme then "settle" for some half-measure. There isn't really any way to "half-" this stinker, and even if they push it through the Senate(Reid won't let it happen, he might hate guns but he loves his job.) it'll die in some obscure committee in the house.

I would be surprised if any measure gets a clean vote in both House and Senate any time soon.

 

[ProudXjOwner]

I'm gonna try to go on welfare and see if I can get a free handout to pay my assault rifle fees.

The sad part is I would rather see my tax dollars go toward this than 90% of who's getting it now.

 

[JohnX]

So you would CHOOSE to sell your guns instead of paying the fee? Sounds more like they are making you realize the difference between want and need, if you needed 5 ar15s you would find the money

And why exactly should I even have to make that choice? If they passed the law and require me to pay a tax on something I owned before the tax was enacted, does that not seem unjust to you?

What if tomorrow they passed a law saying you had to pay a $5k tax on every car you own because cars kill more people than guns every year? Sound fair?

How about a tax on 5 gallon buckets since more babies drown in them every year than are killed by guns?

The point here is clear, taxing something because some moron uses it in a negative manor does nothing towards preventing it from happening again.

 

[WTF_LOL]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

 

[XJEEPER]

Great article and I couldn't agree more.

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/...r-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/

Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.

Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.

 

[REWSTER]

meanwhile, gangbangers and other 5hitsticks are murdering, robbing, flash mobbing, carjacking, etc etc breaking hundreds if not thousands of laws and ordinances in the process.

Their flash mobbing over there...... shit just got real.

 

[Beezil]

Great article and I couldn't agree more.

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/...r-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/

Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.

Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.

that constitutionally guaranteed right will remain a right as long as americans cherish, protect and preserve it.

liberals will find out there's not much use in going after guns legislatively, at which point, emphasis will turn toward an attack on the ammendment itself, and we're beginning to see this now.

 

[Beezil]

Their flash mobbing over there...... shit just got real.

i live and operate a business in this city....shits BEEN real, for quite a while now.