Vaccine makers "immune" from lawsuits

87manche

87manche

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see what I did there?


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20034847-504564.html

I have issues with this.

You have now removed all responsibility from these manufacturers, yet the government forces you to vaccinate your children in order to send them to public school, which you're being taxed for whether you send your children there or not.


So, either you give parents the option of not vaccinating, or you hold the companies responsible, or you stop taxing people that homeschool their children. For that matter, stop taxing me because I don't have children, the school district tax pisses me off every year. It's bad enough I pay property taxes to fund the school, and then they tax me again.
 
Maybe I have a bit of a different opinion. I grew up when vaccines just came out. The diseases addressed are no picknick. I lost several friends to polio, whooping cough, chicken pox. The risk is real. Other than vaccination, there is no magic pill to take when you get it. Yes their use has some risk, but the alterntive risk is way higher. These diseases still kill millions around the globe and today with our hyper mobile society it can show up on anybody's doorstep.
 
Oh lord, I die a little inside when I see people blasting vaccinations.

Vaccines have saved millions, if not billions of lives. Yes, there is SOME risk. But vaccines are one of the greatest products of modern medicine.



I agree with Old man, even though I am one of the younger members on here. My cousin's side of the family doesnt ( or didn't at the time) believe in vaccines. Surprise surprise, he almost died when he was young because of whooping cough.

Should this poor girl get some money to pay for her disability. Absolutely.

Also, to comment on school taxes, I agree with 87manche. You should check out the legislature Indiana is trying to pass right now. It allows parents who want to take their kids out of public school, use the tax money that WOULD have gone towards that, and put it towards a school of their choice.
 
CherBear said:
Oh lord, I die a little inside when I see people blasting vaccinations.

Vaccines have saved millions, if not billions of lives. Yes, there is SOME risk. But vaccines are one of the greatest products of modern medicine.



I agree with Old man, even though I am one of the younger members on here. My cousin's side of the family doesnt ( or didn't at the time) believe in vaccines. Surprise surprise, he almost died when he was young because of whooping cough.

Should this poor girl get some money to pay for her disability. Absolutely.

Also, to comment on school taxes, I agree with 87manche. You should check out the legislature Indiana is trying to pass right now. It allows parents who want to take their kids out of public school, use the tax money that WOULD have gone towards that, and put it towards a school of their choice.
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What is the advantage of saving billions of lives. Yea, kind of a cold attitude but are not diseases natures way of culling the herd. We could for sure use a few billion less people on this planet. Like 'feed the starving kids in Africa', is that so they can grow up and have more starving kids to feed. How about birth control food supplements to keep them from having 5 more kids when they can't feed the 4 they have now.

Whats wrong with school choice, I would have sent both my kids to private schools if I could have afforded it.
 
RichP said:
What is the advantage of saving billions of lives. Yea, kind of a cold attitude but are not diseases natures way of culling the herd.
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Can we start with your mom, dad, wife and kids? Yeah, I know... it's kind of a cold attitude, but that's the reality of your comments. Diseases don't discriminate.

The irony of your comments is that antibiotic-resistance in our North-American food supply will ensure we die before our third-world counterparts (http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2011/superbugsinthesupermarket/)




RichP said:
We could for sure use a few billion less people on this planet. Like 'feed the starving kids in Africa', is that so they can grow up and have more starving kids to feed. How about birth control food supplements to keep them from having 5 more kids when they can't feed the 4 they have now.
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If you still want to blame the population bursts in Africa than you might as well blame poor education, or the Catholic church for taking a hard stance (aha!) on contraceptives.

If you want to blame the overall world population on anything than you might as well blame it on the German chemist who demonstrated the viability of synthetic fertilizers in 1911. Since then, the world's population doubled from 1.7 billion, and then it doubled again.
 
urban yan said:
Can we start with your mom, dad, wife and kids? Yeah, I know... it's kind of a cold attitude, but that's the reality of your comments. Diseases don't discriminate.

The irony of your comments is that antibiotic-resistance in our North-American food supply will ensure we die before our third-world counterparts (http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2011/superbugsinthesupermarket/)






If you still want to blame the population bursts in Africa than you might as well blame poor education, or the Catholic church for taking a hard stance (aha!) on contraceptives.

If you want to blame the overall world population on anything than you might as well blame it on the German chemist who demonstrated the viability of synthetic fertilizers in 1911. Since then, the world's population doubled from 1.7 billion, and then it doubled again.
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What you say is very true, natural selection is a very important process, we have been interfering with it for decades. Yes, the Church does become part of the problem but they want customers, errr members. :D

On a side note, I read this morning that the Lawyers UNION in Egypt is up in arms, imagine, Lawyers have a union, that's scary.
 
DOn't get me wrong, I believe that vaccinations as whole are greatly responsible for the improved lives we have in the age of modern medicine.

However, you've missed the point. You've already taken away the choices of the parents whether or not to have the vaccinations done, and now you've removed any consequence for the manufacturers that may possibly put out a defective/dangerous product. So the government may very well be forcing you to give your children a product that, if it inflicts harm, you have no recourse for damages or justice.

It's about choice, and the government is slowly removing all choices.

and even if a parent chooses to home school to avoid the vaccines, you still have to pay taxes for the public school system. It's not right.
 
I get pissed when the government tells me I need to wear a helmet or a seatbelt because that directly involves me and no one else.

Vaccine's are a different animal all together. If you are a irresponsible parent and decide to not get your kid vaccinated then it can have a direct effect on my kids.

In Europe there is a HUGE fad going around where parents are not getting their kids vaccinated and because of this sicknesses that have been almost wiped off the face of the earth are starting to make a comeback in schools there.

I think Jenny McCarthy and her type should be drawn and quartered.
 
87manche said:
However, you've missed the point. You've already taken away the choices of the parents whether or not to have the vaccinations done, and now you've removed any consequence for the manufacturers that may possibly put out a defective/dangerous product. So the government may very well be forcing you to give your children a product that, if it inflicts harm, you have no recourse for damages or justice.

It's about choice, and the government is slowly removing all choices.
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Your article stated that "Vaccine manufacturers fund from their sales an informal, efficient compensation program for vaccine injuries", so this ruling doesn't neglect victims of their rightful compensation... it simply takes away their ability to sue for disproportionate amounts that could, in-turn, bankrupt the manufactures; thusly, compromising everyone's health.

I agree that having choices is important, but you need to understand the unique nature of vaccines. If you don't blanket everyone with a vaccine than you'll create pockets of the population (who chose against vaccination) that will compromise the rest of us over the long term.
 
I would be surprised. Life is one big crap shoot. Yes, some small percentage of the population will always react poorly to any new thing. Peanuts have been around for ever and people still develop allergies to them and die. Is it the peanut farmer's fault?

Sometimes life sucks. Why does someone else always have to pay for it just because you drew the short straw?

There is this entitlement expectation in our nation that if something is bad that somebody has to pay, and we wonder why our country is going to hell in a handbasket.

I personally have been hit by a drug that caused me to have an achilles tendon rupture. It is very rare, but the drug is one of the most powerful antibiotics out there and saves millions of lives each year. I just got unlucky. I happened to be covered by workman's comp and they paid for the rehab and surgery. It they hadn't, my personal insurance would have. If I didn't have insurance, it would have been my poor judgement not to have insurance.
 
I would think that the unvaccinated crowd would be eliminated well before it had a chance to mutate.

edit: plus it wouldn't mutate to work around the vaccine. If that was the case, the original vaccines wouldn't have worked.
 
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