USPS Money Orders

casm

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I'm starting this thread because some folks have concerns about sending money orders to people in exchange for mail-ordered goods. Hopefully I can clarify some of the reasons why MOs are a Good Thing if used right.

- Use USPS Money Orders ONLY. The money orders issued by the US Postal Service are a) cheap and b) better-backed legally than the ones you get at convenience stores, supermarkets, etc. Not only can USPS MOs be stopped just like a cheque, but the same people who investigate mail fraud (the Postal Inspectors) handle MOs.

- Faster than a personal cheque. Generally, I can send an item out the day or day after an MO is received. Personal cheques can take up to 10 days to clear if the bank's feeling uppity.

- More secure than a personal cheque.. If you send me a cheque, not only are your name and address on it but also your bank account number and routing details. Given the generally low level of protection afforded your personal information by the people on the other end of your bank's support line, you probably don't want this info being leaked.

Moving on to why I won't accept Paypal: a couple of years ago I sold roughly $700 in computer equipment to a guy in Ohio via a classified ad on a forum (not NAXJA). He Paypaled the money to me, I shipped the goods, and everything looked OK. Unfortunately, the guy had had me send everything to a drop address. Once the items were received, he filed a claim with Paypal that I had sent him goods other than what he had ordered. Paypal stopped payment to me, which is where I made my first mistake in dealing with them: I tried to fight it.

Here's the problem with Paypal: they are NOT a financial instution covered by the usual laws or bodies (such as the FDIC) that would apply; they're more of a third-party credit card processor. Long story short, despite sending them photographs I had taken of the goods that were being shipped, they still sided with the guy filing the false fraud claim and refused to pay. What's interesting is that he never filed a complaint (AFAIK) with the credit card company itself, just Paypal. Apparently this sort of thing is fairly common, but having dealt with Paypal's godawful staff and their attitude of, 'well, we don't have to give you any money', I'll never do business with or through them again.

For anyone curious as to some of the reasons to not do business with paypal, I'd recommend the following:

http://www.paypalsucks.com/
http://www.aboutpaypal.org/
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3186 (Paypal stops payment of charitable donations to Katrina relief)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="paypal+sucks"&btnG=Google+Search (generic Google search for "paypal sucks")
 
Well, after reading pretty much everything on those links, I think I want to :puke:

Anyone else who thinks that Capitalism still works needs to read this shiznit...
 
Beej said:
Well, after reading pretty much everything on those links, I think I want to :puke:

Anyone else who thinks that Capitalism still works needs to read this shiznit...

Buy a lot of them USPS money orders there in Canada do you?



:D
 
Well i was reading all hapilly thinking to myself "wow what a great thread! Needs teh sticky" and then you kinda went off on a take down paypal tangent. :D
 
mdl said:
Well i was reading all hapilly thinking to myself "wow what a great thread! Needs teh sticky" and then you kinda went off on a take down paypal tangent. :D

Yep, and very deliberately so. People need to be aware that Paypal is not as secure or convenient as they make themselves out to be, and that not accepting Paypal can be far less risky than accepting it.
 
i've had 2 bad experiences with PayPal. first was about 2 yrs ago. i sold a D44 spool on Ebay and the deal went thru easily and i was satisfied. th ebuyer was a moron who at first claimed i sent him the wrong spool because his ring gear wouldnt fit on it. after several emails he got it seated using common steps. 6 months later i got an Email from paypal telling me my account was in dispute for the sale several months earlier. my account was -$180 and i had no recourse WHAT SO EVER! ! ! all i could get from PayPal was a cookie-cutter excuse that the credit card company was "disputing" the charges. PayPal is not obligated to even get involved with such disputes, they just facilitate them. they took a complete hands-off approach to it. they wouldnt even give me the information on the specific credit company so i could contact them directly. so i was stuck with paying the negative balance.
and just last summer i had a different experience with paypal. my PC got "hacked" thru AOL messenger and i clicked on a bad link. (spare me the speech please) and they somehow got my paypal info from my PC. they proceeded to use my paypal account to make multiple big $$ purchases on Ebay. they changed my Email addy on the account as well as the password. because i acted quickly with my bank and paypal CS i didnt actually lose anything besides dignity. since then i havent used the paypal account and havent decided whether i should revive it or kill it.

guess i'll kill it and be done with it.

USPS Money Orders rock!
 
I've had a hundred or so PP transactions with only one hiccup. PP and vBulletin took care of it and PP's fraud dept apologized on behalf of PayPal for their glitch. Someone else made a legitimate purchase on vBulletin to the tune of $275 using PayPal...and somehow some wires were crossed and my account got charged. vBulletin told me that my email address was not used to make the purchase (though I later got a 'thank you for your order' automated message from them) and worked with PayPal to get this resolved. PayPal investigated it and concluded that there was no malice, it was totally their fault. I was impressed with the way they handled it and they'll continue to get my business.

USPS won't get my money or business unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. They're monopolized with the assistance of the Federal Government and it's my feeling that the postal service needs to be privatized. Federal law prohibits the big package distribution companies from competing with USPS for big portions of the letter delivery market. Sure, UPS and FedEx can deliver urgent letters, but they're prohibited by FEDERAL LAW to charge less than USPS. USPS still has a hard time keeping up with package delivery though and it costs them a LOT to compete. This completes the circle of USPS charging more while and leeching more off the government, while service quality goes down... But who cares, right? Who are the consumers going to turn to? A-ha...

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ECKSJAY said:
I've had a hundred or so PP transactions with only one hiccup.

It seems that your experiences with Paypal parallel mine with French cars ;)

USPS won't get my money or business unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. They're monopolized with the assistance of the Federal Government and it's my feeling that the postal service needs to be privatized.

While I largely agree with you on this, here's the thing: the USPS is not monopolised. There are other privatised ways to send your mail or parcels, and it's your right to exercise them. Whether or not they're more fiscally-feasible is another issue, but UPS won't issue me an MO.

Sorry, Phil - no offence, but as much of a Republican Party Reptile as I am I just can't get behind this particular one.
 
casm said:
While I largely agree with you on this, here's the thing: the USPS is not monopolised.
I disagree wholly on this statement. I've given some reasons in my previous post...and could go on much further beyond that, but the point of the entire thread doesn't lie on the monopoly Big Government has with the USPS. ;)
Sorry, Phil - no offence, but as much of a Republican Party Reptile as I am I just can't get behind this particular one.
It's a hard pill to swallow. It makes you feel a lot better once you do. :D
 
ECKSJAY said:
I disagree wholly on this statement. I've given some reasons in my previous post...and could go on much further beyond that, but the point of the entire thread doesn't lie on the monopoly Big Government has with the USPS. ;)

It's a hard pill to swallow. It makes you feel a lot better once you do. :D

Certain things sometimes need to be a monoply. The USPS is one, DoD is another. As for paypal, nope, as soon as I opened a paypal account my junk mail went up 500%. The only reason I opened it was to list my Yamaha for sale.
 
RichP said:
Certain things sometimes need to be a monoply. The USPS is one, DoD is another.

DoD I can understand, but certainly not in it's present form. That's an entirely different debate altogether. ;) DoD is essential to the safety of the country, which our government has an obligation to protect. Congress was tasked by the Constitution to provide for postal routes and build roads. Well, I think we can safely say this has been taken care of. Why, then, has the government allowed the USPS to morph much past it's original intent? I think it could be that the government itself has lost sight of it's original intent...

Besides, I can't legally carry a legally concealed firearm into one of their facilities...so tell me again why I should give them my business? ;)

</fawked tangent>

:D
 
Ever worked for them???? You should try and get you facts straight before taking pot shots at them, And you know why you can't take a gun onto postal property its the same reason you can't take a gun onto ANY FEDERAL PROPERTY...

Besides we already have enough anger and gun issues there anyway we dont need more(CA ring a bell), you are right about the customer services its heading down hill real quick and all the employees(700,000+) get to watch, it's like having a front row seat with beer and popcorn watching the titanic go down...

If you are thinking that private is the best way to go just think about the great customer service you get at banks, grocery stores, car dealerships, airlines (I can keep going on with this), and if you think for even a second that UPS or FEDEX could more even a fraction of the mail that we more right now your mistaken(parcels are easy its the letters that are a bitch)...

Themud




ECKSJAY said:
DoD I can understand, but certainly not in it's present form. That's an entirely different debate altogether. ;) DoD is essential to the safety of the country, which our government has an obligation to protect. Congress was tasked by the Constitution to provide for postal routes and build roads. Well, I think we can safely say this has been taken care of. Why, then, has the government allowed the USPS to morph much past it's original intent? I think it could be that the government itself has lost sight of it's original intent...

Besides, I can't legally carry a legally concealed firearm into one of their facilities...so tell me again why I should give them my business? ;)

</fawked tangent>

:D
 
themud said:
Ever worked for them???? You should try and get you facts straight before taking pot shots at them, And you know why you can't take a gun onto postal property its the same reason you can't take a gun onto ANY FEDERAL PROPERTY...
My point is that it's not supposed to be Federal property. ;) Of course I can't carry firearms on Federal Government property...I also don't give the Feds my business either. :shhh: Please point out also which facts I don't have straight...
Besides we already have enough anger and gun issues there anyway we dont need more(CA ring a bell), you are right about the customer services its heading down hill real quick and all the employees(700,000+) get to watch, it's like having a front row seat with beer and popcorn watching the titanic go down...
It's the employees who help make the service go downhill the fastest.
If you are thinking that private is the best way to go just think about the great customer service you get at banks, grocery stores, car dealerships, airlines (I can keep going on with this), and if you think for even a second that UPS or FEDEX could more even a fraction of the mail that we more right now your mistaken(parcels are easy its the letters that are a bitch)...
I do consider the customer service I get at those other places, which was what brought me to my original point. I'm an open-minded individual and I can say I rarely have a bad experience at those places. In fact, I'd rather go stand in line at the bank behind 5 merchants making deposits than stand in line for 5 minutes at the Dept of Licensing or the Post Office. I do also think that the management at companies like UPS and FedEx could better handle letter delivery than the USPS.
 
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Rev Den said:
Really? cannot seem to find that in your link.

To be honest, I didn't vet the links, just gave them a quick glance. However, this is based on information I received from the postal inspectors while dealing with someone whom I suspected was going to rip me off.
 
casm said:
To be honest, I didn't vet the links, just gave them a quick glance. However, this is based on information I received from the postal inspectors while dealing with someone whom I suspected was going to rip me off.


Not sure about that one I have to check with some others ??? They are much safer than any other money order or cashiers check from a bank...Try these words on for size(trackable and insured)...

By the way which Federal Properties can you bring a firearm onto especially a concealed one???

Also the USPS hasnt been subsidized(SP?) by the Feds for a long time since at least 1986 if I remember correctly, as for you implication that the employees are whats dragging the USPS down you should go and get a job there and find out what really is screwing it up one word MANAGEMENT they are the most inept bunch of idiots anywhere they could mess up a sure thing with a prom date on a hawaiian island with no one else for a 1000 miles..You want stress work there for awhile and youll understand it...If you only knew how good UPS and FEDEX are we get to see their best(NOT) everyday!!!

Any more questions?
themud
 
themud said:
Any more questions?

Yes... In future, when you reply to multiple points in a thread, can you make it clear who originally posted the points you're replying to? Only one of the points above was mine, but from the way you replied it looked as though I made them all.
 
Sorry about that was trying to type and get the daughters dinner ready plus setup the dvd player for her...

My bad, My responses are not intended to be mean to anyone here just pointing out facts to those not in the know and unless you have had the joy(not really) of working there you couldnt begin to guess or want to know what happens there your head would spin with the stupidity...

thanks
themud
 
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