TX-MX border killings

"She leaped screaming from the car..." how about using it as a 2 ton battering ram against the shooters' vehicle(s)?
 
We had a B-1 bomber sitting here at the base a while back....I was keeping my fingers crossed that it was being loaded up to carpet bomb Juarez....no such luck...
 
Already, the city is one of the world's deadliest places. More than 2,600 people were killed last year, and another 500 so far this year — all in a city of 1.3 million.


Just wondering.....what are Mexico's gun laws? Can a Mexican Citizen carry a concealed weapon for personal defense?


 
Just wondering.....what are Mexico's gun laws? Can a Mexican Citizen carry a concealed weapon for personal defense?

Mexican citizens are not allowed to even OWN guns....

I may be wrong, but I think if they own a ranch and have a permit, they can have a .22.........
 
".....FBI said Tuesday it cast doubt on fears that the slaying of three people with ties to the U.S. consulate shows that Mexican drug cartels have launched an offensive against U.S. government employees...."

What difference does it make??

As was stated before, most of what is going on in that area would have been considered an act of war not that long ago.....

But our politicians refuse to do anything about it.....

Wonder what would happen if the roles were reversed?
 
I like how the president of Mexico's response is to increase welfare.
 
I say we just pull out of Mexico, tell our citizens not to go there for any reason and let them fight it out.

Then post our national guard on the border with the orders to shoot anyone they see crossing the fence.
 
Already, the city is one of the world's deadliest places. More than 2,600 people were killed last year, and another 500 so far this year — all in a city of 1.3 million.


Just wondering.....what are Mexico's gun laws? Can a Mexican Citizen carry a concealed weapon for personal defense?



Mexican citizens are allowed to own a firearm, but it cannot be anything in a "militray" caliber. Which pretty much eliminates everything, because most calibers have seen service in someone's military at sometime.

so anything more than a .22 is not for public consumption down there, and even then, I think you have to have a permit, which the average guy is not likely to get.

Brady Bunch said:
but gun control curbs violence
 
Then post our national guard on the border with the orders to shoot anyone they see crossing the fence.
:cheers:


If (hypothetically speaking) we were able to shut down the border, the country of Mexico would implode.

There would be much, much less money remitted to families down there from families up here (let's not forget that there are people here legally).

The populace down there would turn on their gov't and revolt.

The porous border is a safety valve that prevents that.

I don't understand all the dynamics behind it, but I'm sure the U.S. government realizes this.... Thus the lack of any "real" border enforcement.


Here is another example of the federal gov'ts inaction.... Note at the end of the article where it says:

"Gonzalez, the Zapata sheriff, said he couldn't confirm reports that the helicopter was scoping out the home of a drug criminal. He said the incursion about a mile over the border took place over a neighborhood populated by many U.S. Customs officers who work at area border crossings — and that they knew what they were seeing.

“My understanding is the U.S. military were informed,” he said. “I don't know what action was taken, if any.”

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/state/Mexican_military_helicopter_seen_over_US_home.html
 
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:cheers:


If (hypothetically speaking) we were able to shut down the border, the country of Mexico would implode.

There would be much, much less money remitted to families down there from families up here (let's not forget that there are people here legally).

The populace down there would turn on their gov't and revolt.

The porous border is a safety valve that prevents that.

I don't understand all the dynamics behind it, but I'm sure the U.S. government realizes this.... Thus the lack of any "real" border enforcement.

So those flowing across the borders in larger numbers would be refugees vs illegal immigrants
 
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Mexican citizens are allowed to own a firearm, but it cannot be anything in a "militray" caliber. Which pretty much eliminates everything, because most calibers have seen service in someone's military at sometime.

so anything more than a .22 is not for public consumption down there, and even then, I think you have to have a permit, which the average guy is not likely to get.

That is the way I remember it, back before I no longer gave a s*it about Mexico.

I once read, probably in Guns & Ammo mag, that the .38 Super cartridge was specifically designed to circumvent the Mexican law.
 
That is the way I remember it, back before I no longer gave a s*it about Mexico.

I once read, probably in Guns & Ammo mag, that the .38 Super cartridge was specifically designed to circumvent the Mexican law.

Yea, I remember that one too, however they don't use AK's as issue mexican calibers so I often wonder why the cartels don't just by AK and such on the open market and bring them in, would be much cheaper than buying the AR's at US stores, paying top dollar and commission then smuggling them south. The could just add cases of AK's to their drug shipments and pay a heck of a lot less for full auto weapons.
 
One thing that had me rolling:
Even government agencies, frustrated with the Defense Ministry, sometimes smuggle in their own weapons from the U.S.
When the government has to break the law to get around its own bureaucracy, you know something is badly wrong.
 
Yea, I remember that one too, however they don't use AK's as issue mexican calibers so I often wonder why the cartels don't just by AK and such on the open market and bring them in, would be much cheaper than buying the AR's at US stores, paying top dollar and commission then smuggling them south. The could just add cases of AK's to their drug shipments and pay a heck of a lot less for full auto weapons.

Why Should they do that?
It is far cheaper for the cartels to just purchase guns from the Mexican Army, Like they have been doing all along!
 
UPDATE:

This morning Frontera reported that one member of the "Aztecas", the group blamed for the killings of the Americans over last weekend in Ciudad Juarez appears on the FBI's most wanted list. This is Eduardo Ravelo who is wanted for being a capo of the Barrio Azteca gang which has its base in Ciudad Juarez. The article states that it is alleged that Ravelo and his fellow murderers serve the organization run by Amado Carrillo Fuentes

And:

El Universal has a newer hypothesis of events in Ciudad Juarez over the weekend which is contrary to the statement made by Andrea Simmons. A Mexican security officer (unnamed) has confirmed that the group of attackers had designed a strategy to follow and kill Arthur H. Redelfs, a veteran of 10 years of the El Paso County Sheriff's Office downtown Detention Facility who was responsible for cases involving drug seizures confiscated by the Department between El Paso and Juarez. The security officer believes that at some point the two sets of attackers lost site of the Redelfs vehicle which resulted in the subsequent attacks on both the Toyota RAV4 and the Pilot, both vehicles were white. If this newer hypothesis is correct, of course it means that US law enforcement personnel were indeed targeted.

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Maggie is an expatriate living in Rosarito Beach, B.C., Mex.

She culls the local new sources and then puts what she finds in her blogs. Which is handy for me because I can't read spanish very well.....

She also supplies links to the original news sources if you do read spanish...
 
Why Should they do that?
It is far cheaper for the cartels to just purchase guns from the Mexican Army, Like they have been doing all along!

They don't have to buy them, the mex army had 30,000 desertions and those deserters took their US supplied M-16 A-1's, Beretta's and whatever else they had with them.
That's where all those "US supplied" guns were coming from...
 
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