Tired of Terrorists

[Hawaiian Style]

Man, this is getting annoying. I'm tired of these wackos trying to mess with me and my country. I know this is unpopular and politically incorrect but here is my plan:

:soapbox:

1. Secure the boarders. I know that Mexico and Canada will be offended but I really don't care- my way of life is worth more to me than their feelings.

2. Ammend the constitution to apply only to U.S. Citizens. All others are guests of this country and it's citizens and are allowed to remain here only as long as we feel they are welcome. Be a pain in the butt and you'll be deported.

3. That's it.

Other countries have these policies in place already. I was considering a job in Saudi a couple of months ago but decided I'd rather stay here. If I had gone I would NOT have had the same rights as a Saudi citizen. Call me a right wing nut or whatever but I have no problem with excluding people from this country if it means we'll be safer.

Feel free to write me in as your presidential canidate... :roflmao:

 

[Eagle]

Man, this is getting annoying. I'm tired of these wackos trying to mess with me and my country. I know this is unpopular and politically incorrect but here is my plan:

:soapbox:

1. Secure the boarders. I know that Mexico and Canada will be offended but I really don't care- my way of life is worth more to me than their feelings.

2. Ammend the constitution to apply only to U.S. Citizens. All others are guests of this country and it's citizens and are allowed to remain here only as long as we feel they are welcome. Be a pain in the butt and you'll be deported.

3. That's it.

Other countries have these policies in place already. I was considering a job in Saudi a couple of months ago but decided I'd rather stay here. If I had gone I would NOT have had the same rights as a Saudi citizen. Call me a right wing nut or whatever but I have no problem with excluding people from this country if it means we'll be safer.

Feel free to write me in as your presidential canidate... :roflmao:

Interesting spelling glitch. Those lines on the maps are "borders," but the pirates who used to attack merchant ships in the days of sail were, indeed, "boarders," and were about as welcome then as illegal aliens are now. Our porous borders and lax immigration policies are a national disgrace, and neither major party is remotely interested in fixing either, regardless of what they say while campaigning. Securing the "boarders" would be a good first step ... immediately prior to sending them back where they came from.

So I agree with you, but I can't vote for you. I'm voting for me ... but I am looking for a VP running mate, so PM me your full name and address and I'll put you on the ticket.

 

[bgcntry72]

I have 4 words for you on the topic of securing our borders.
Burning River Of Gas.
Suggestion #2 is good, but only if the requisite 81% is in favor.
That is all.

iratefla

 

[G.Q. Jeeper]

Man, this is getting annoying. I'm tired of these wackos trying to mess with me and my country. I know this is unpopular and politically incorrect but here is my plan:

:soapbox:

1. Secure the boarders. I know that Mexico and Canada will be offended but I really don't care- my way of life is worth more to me than their feelings.

.. :roflmao:

Don't count on that, we are an indepedant nation, that is admired by the world, and is the largest free country in the World, with a public health care and education system that is one of the best in the world.

I think your views are a bit polluted, however everyone is welcomed to thier own opinion, even if its wrong....

GQ

 

[woody]

To paraphrase a bit from a book I read awhile back: "...we need to show the world that America isn't scared but that we're scary. Sort of like that creepy house on the block where kids were afraid to trick-or-treat... On 9-11, they (Al Qaeida) got all dressed up in their holy-warrior costumes and rang the wrong doorbell..."

Ask the terrorist freaks we have in cages down in Gitmo how that path to martyrdom looks now... They assed up their mission by being taken alive, while their buddies were getting blown to smithereens courtesy of laser-guided, USA-Made ordinance. Now they get to rot away in some subtropical cell and looking at life + 1. Before anyone gets all weepy for them... remember that they weren't picked up for jaywalking or stealing hubcaps.

For the ones still on the loose, death via martyrdom is their chosen destiny... I say we be the good genie and grant them their wish: As individuals as they turn up, and by the hundreds as the opportunity to do so arrises. No sense debating with, attempting to negotiate or rehabilitate a pack of nutjobs, especially when they are locked into a collision course with death anyway. Hasten it and engage the next targets that pop up. If a few international toes get stepped on in the process of that, well, too damn bad. If the rest of the world can't keep their fruitcakes boxed up, well, I have no sympathy for them in the aftermath.

What these extremist leaders are afraid of is the freedom and enlightenment of their subjects. Where there is connectivity, legal international commerce, universal education & suffrage, tolerance, a functional justice system etc... (operating under internationally acceptable 'rules and rewards/penalties') there exists very little room for dictatorial or fanatical leadership. There will always be the haves & have nots, but by shrinking the gap between the 1st and 3rd world, we (we meaning the civilized, post-industrial nations) have a chance at doing some good for the world...

Gotta remember, we ARE the big-kid on the block. Somewhat a reluctant bully, but no other nation on earth can and has projected power like America. No other nation has provided as much foreign aid and collective security as we have. It's fairly disingenious for the recipients of that goodwill to be flapping their pieholes now. They allowed themselves to be punked while the situation benefited them. They need to either step up and help, or step back, fix their makeup, and quit their childish blubbering. We don't need them in any measurable economic way, and from a security standpoint, well, IMHO we don't really need bases in Europe anymore. We'll find new friends with airstrips and less strings attached.

 

[logdog]

Don't count on that, we are an indepedant nation, that is admired by the world, and is the largest free country in the World, with a public health care and education system that is one of the best in the world.

I think your views are a bit polluted, however everyone is welcomed to thier own opinion, even if its wrong....

GQ

I get it! I can agree with you... or be wrong.
Thank you for your permission to have an opinion.

 

[G.Q. Jeeper]

I get it! I can agree with you... or be wrong.
Thank you for your permission to have an opinion.

Sorry for that statement, it was not intended in that way...

I still do not agree with my neighbours to the south & north west, I beleive at building bridges and working towards solutions, I hope that Canada does not participate with the missile defence program and that Bush gets tossed out in the next election.

If you want to close your boarders and live in Isolation, that is fine, but the quailty of life as you know it would no longer exist, as you take more of the world resources than what the continential United States can produce, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it....

GQ in Canada!

 

[Ralph]

Our country is based on the premise that all should be treated with justice. To persecute every non-american for the sake of a few terrorists is unjust.

Those that are willing to give up freedom for security deserve neither. Ben Franklin

 

[RichP]

Don't count on that, we are an indepedant nation, that is admired by the world, and is the largest free country in the World, with a public health care and education system that is one of the best in the world.

I think your views are a bit polluted, however everyone is welcomed to thier own opinion, even if its wrong....

GQ

Whats public health care, I have not been able afford it for over 2 years....guess I need to be an illegal boarder to get that, or convicted of a crime or an elected official....

 

[MistWolf]

We cannot ammend the Constitution to cover only citizens as it was written- especially the first ten ammendments- with the idea that these were rights are garaunteed by God, not the government. If the government has the power to choose to deny rights to some, then it has the power to deny them to all. To protect our liberties we must be willing to fight and sacrifice our lives, against those who would take them away

 

[WrenchMonkey]

Whats public health care, I have not been able afford it for over 2 years....guess I need to be an illegal boarder to get that, or convicted of a crime or an elected official....

...or enlist atriot:...

Just remember, though, you always get what you pay for. "Free" health care is no exception...

Robert

 

[woody]

...or enlist atriot:...

Just remember, though, you always get what you pay for. "Free" health care is no exception...

Robert

Hmmm.

IIRC Rich P served in two services and gave his 20 atriot: He's self-employed and raising his family now. I'm sure they'd have him back, but...

Have YOU enlisted or took a commission? Bravo if so, but I understand all the reasons if not.

 

[WrenchMonkey]

Hmmm.

IIRC Rich P served in two services and gave his 20 atriot: He's self-employed and raising his family now. I'm sure they'd have him back, but...

Have YOU enlisted or took a commission? Bravo if so, but I understand all the reasons if not.

Sorry, certainly didn't mean to offend...

I simply meant that there are ways to get the gov't to sponsor your healthcare if that is important to you, but that usually the free market will give you more bang for your buck. "Public financed," "state run," and "government provided" are all overrated.

Socialism with a fancy name still sucks...

And yes, I did earn the vet tag in my avatar, though I did only my four-n-out. I'm proud I did, but I can tell you firsthand you don't want the people who run the post office and the DMV to be in charge of your healthcare...

Robert
Avionics Technician Second Class
US Navy, 1995-1999

 

[woody]

No offense taken at all... Thanks for serving!

As for the terrorists... the ones we harvest from 'offshore' arent due any more process than a fly under a swatter. The ones we catch here shouldn't be due any more than that either IMO. If they're citizens, it feeds them into the Federal Justice system...if not, they are invading enemy combatants...who aren'tunder the Geneva Convention rules.

Set them all free for all I care, as long as it's done off the ramp of a USAF cargo plane, somewhere between Gitmo and Capetown.

 

[woody]

Set them all free for all I care, as long as it's done off the ramp of a USAF cargo plane, somewhere between Gitmo and Capetown.

Better yet... Parachute them into Normandy at 0-dark-30 at 200 feet AGL next June...

Happy Anniversary :wave1:

 

[WrenchMonkey]

(...sorry to drift so far off topic...)

You're right about the Geneva Convention. It bugs the sh!t outta me when people bring that up...

The Convention is a mutual agreement among civilized states -- "You treat our guys decently, we'll do the same for your guys." It makes no sense whatsoever to try to apply it to a group that saws the heads off non-combatant civilian contractors! :smsoap:

Sorry, end rant...

Robert

 

[woody]

No worrys on the ranting... whacko folks wanting to blow up your fellow citizens is a valid rantable topic IMHO.

I can't offer up any 'new' solutions beyond just being an American like you always have been. Be fair & just to your neighbors, and demand the same in return. Look out for each other... Choose to disagree among selves with dignity, but when it comes to fruitcakes wanting to kill you just for sake of residence or religion... well any dumbass can tell ya it's better to kill them first... or kill them later at your leisure. Kill them either way... it's what they want! Depriving them of their destiny is what's cruel & unusual.

No more emotion needed than killing ticks or houseflies.

 

[WrenchMonkey]

atriot:

 

[G.Q. Jeeper]

Whats public health care, I have not been able afford it for over 2 years....guess I need to be an illegal boarder to get that, or convicted of a crime or an elected official....

Here in Ontario we have OHIP (Ontario Hospital Insurance Plan) I am given a "Credit Card" by OHIP, which entitles me to go to my doctor and not pay a cent out of my own pocket, regardless how many times I see him/her, I am also coverd for any and all emergencies and hospital visits and stays and operations that I may need, without any money coming out of my bank/credit card, I can have as many visits and there is no deductable for this as well!

Here ALL Canadians pay for this through our taxes, which is higher than that of the US, however in the end I do not have to pay one single cent for Medicare.

Now the Canadian Government is changing our system around, so that the health care system here will be even better!

That is one thing us Canadians do not have to worry about, putting a price tag on our health...

GQ

 

[Eagle]

The ones we catch here shouldn't be due any more than that either IMO. If they're citizens, it feeds them into the Federal Justice system...if not, they are invading enemy combatants...who aren'tunder the Geneva Convention rules.

Despite the pompous pronouncements of the AG, I don't think they are "enemy combatants." I don't know just what they are, but "terrorists" has a nice ring to it.

The term "enemy combatant" comes, I believe, from the Geneva Conventions. And the Geneva Conventions apply to a war between two sovereign nations who are signatories thereto. (I guess if only one of the countries signed, they are supposed to play by the rules while the other guys don't have to, which seems a bit unfair, but that's irrelevent to this discussion.)

These terrorists do not represent any country or any sovereign nation. That certainly confirms that they don't fall under the Geneva Conventions, but it also doesn't make them "enemy combatants." It just makes them scumbags.

So what is an enemy combatant? Remember the movie "Red Dawn," in which the Russians invaded the U.S.? The American civilians who took up arms against the invading soldiers were (to the Russians, and under the Geneva Convention) "enemy combatants."

And as for John Walker Linde and the gummint declaring that he was an "unlawful combatant" (whatever THAT is) when there was no shred of evidence that he ever lifted a weapon against the U.S. -- don't even get me started.