THe NAC Lots-O-BFG KO2 Thread

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Money making for whom? I thought it was just an association of clubs. I agree jacking the prices is nuts.

There is always the option to sign up now for the $61. :)

We'll see how it goes this year. If the turnout sucks it may be our last.
 
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The money they make goes straight into keeping te land the NEA has and the land aquisition fund to buy new land so we all have places to wheel. They were saying that last minute sign ups and walk ins last year made a mess out of the planning for food and the number of people per trail. I know it was only my first FC but it certainly seemed like chaos Saturday morning. I'm also surprised the people who plan NACfest don't have a better understanding of how difficult it makes it if no one pre registers. Bill imagine if half of the people who went to NACfest showed up unannounced, it would make your life hell trying to get everything squared away when all you wanted to do was wheel. I think $150 is a little drastic, and I voiced that opinion at the last NEA meeting, but I can also understand why they're doing it. If you guys have any issues with this stuff feel free to volunteer to represent UJ at the next meeting, it would be nice to have you contribute for a change.
 
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The money they make goes straight into keeping te land the NEA has and the land aquisition fund to buy new land so we all have places to wheel. They were saying that last minute sign ups and walk ins last year made a mess out of the planning for food and the number of people per trail. I know it was only my first FC but it certainly seemed like chaos Saturday morning. I'm also surprised the people who plan NACfest don't have a better understanding of how difficult it makes it if no one pre registers. Bill imagine if half of the people who went to NACfest showed up unannounced, it would make your life hell trying to get everything squared away when all you wanted to do was wheel. I think $150 is a little drastic, and I voiced that opinion at the last NEA meeting, but I can also understand why they're doing it. If you guys have any issues with this stuff feel free to volunteer to represent UJ at the next meeting, it would be nice to have you contribute for a change.

Yo whatever bro
 
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The money they make goes straight into keeping te land the NEA has and the land aquisition fund to buy new land so we all have places to wheel. They were saying that last minute sign ups and walk ins last year made a mess out of the planning for food and the number of people per trail. I know it was only my first FC but it certainly seemed like chaos Saturday morning. I'm also surprised the people who plan NACfest don't have a better understanding of how difficult it makes it if no one pre registers. Bill imagine if half of the people who went to NACfest showed up unannounced, it would make your life hell trying to get everything squared away when all you wanted to do was wheel. I think $150 is a little drastic, and I voiced that opinion at the last NEA meeting, but I can also understand why they're doing it. If you guys have any issues with this stuff feel free to volunteer to represent UJ at the next meeting, it would be nice to have you contribute for a change.

I've gone to a few NEA meetings a few years ago representing Summit and/or FTR. Stop spouting off like none of us have ever done anything. I've also helped organize NACfest and brought Rocktoberfest up here helping Bob/Liza make some money for F&F instead of 5 of us going down to RC again, including hanging around helping setting everything up and making sure everything got cleaned up/prepped for dinner, etc. Sorry if helping with UJ hasn't been my top priority. Get over yourself. :rolleyes:

If half the people showed up unannounced for NACfest, I would make it clear that there may not be any BBQ for them and we can't guarantee camping. It's really not that big of a deal. Want to show up late? Don't get the perks of pre-registering. The reason Bill has made a point of it this year is because we have less than 10 people pre-registered. There's almost no point in a BBQ.

As for the money that goes to the land acquisition fund, I think it has good intentions, and while I haven't researched what a piece of property that we actually WANT costs, I can't imagine we will actually be able to purchase it in any reasonable amount of time. I remember when Gretchen was ready to let go of her land and we would NEVER have been able to afford to keep that if Bob and Liza hadn't hopped into that lease.
 
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I sure as Christ won't be there. That's full retard. you never go full retard.



Nah, best signup was 07. Pretty sure I mailed mine in :laugh:

was 09 when we got back at 2am? That was a good one
**** you and yo hids
 
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The money they make goes straight into keeping te land the NEA has and the land aquisition fund to buy new land so we all have places to wheel. They were saying that last minute sign ups and walk ins last year made a mess out of the planning for food and the number of people per trail. I know it was only my first FC but it certainly seemed like chaos Saturday morning. I'm also surprised the people who plan NACfest don't have a better understanding of how difficult it makes it if no one pre registers. Bill imagine if half of the people who went to NACfest showed up unannounced, it would make your life hell trying to get everything squared away when all you wanted to do was wheel. I think $150 is a little drastic, and I voiced that opinion at the last NEA meeting, but I can also understand why they're doing it. If you guys have any issues with this stuff feel free to volunteer to represent UJ at the next meeting, it would be nice to have you contribute for a change.

Never saw any work days anywhere last year, o and we did have a bunch of people show up last minute at rocktoberfest, a simple phone call fixed that sat morning.
 
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I see both sides of it, but I don't really understand the logic behind punishing passengers/people who want to show up and hang out. If someone doesn't want to sign up by a certain date, don't promise them a meal (or charge extra if there's enough to go around), simple as that. Otherwise, you're keeping people away who may want to see what the event is like before they bring their rig in the following years, which is what I did. An influx of drivers would definitely be chaos, and I think that the rate should jump a bunch to force people who are wheeling to commit or back out weeks/months in advance to make planning easier.
 
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They also considered the fact that camp jeep and jeep jamboree are $500 to $600 for a similar event. If anyone is really that bothered just sign up on the nea forum and voice your concerns. If attendance suffers this year they will change the format since this is by far their biggest money maker
 
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The money they make goes straight into keeping te land the NEA has and the land aquisition fund to buy new land so we all have places to wheel. They were saying that last minute sign ups and walk ins last year made a mess out of the planning for food and the number of people per trail. I know it was only my first FC but it certainly seemed like chaos Saturday morning. I'm also surprised the people who plan NACfest don't have a better understanding of how difficult it makes it if no one pre registers. Bill imagine if half of the people who went to NACfest showed up unannounced, it would make your life hell trying to get everything squared away when all you wanted to do was wheel. I think $150 is a little drastic, and I voiced that opinion at the last NEA meeting, but I can also understand why they're doing it. If you guys have any issues with this stuff feel free to volunteer to represent UJ at the next meeting, it would be nice to have you contribute for a change.
Come on Pat you make it sound like none of us do anything if we don't do it for the NEA or UJ. :bunny:
Maybe rather than spouting off all high and mighty you might try not getting completely slaughtered drunk at an event and help out. We/I can't always be the fun police.

I can imagine half the people not registering for an event. Every year we have about 1/3 the people NOT register for NACFest. RocktoberFest was even worse, more than 1/2 the people were unannounced. It's why you have good planning ahead of time. A couple of quick calls and we had some more stuff coming. I think RocktoberFest was handled pretty well in spite of more than doubling our expected numbers.
I've gone to a few NEA meetings a few years ago representing Summit and/or FTR. Stop spouting off like none of us have ever done anything. I've also helped organize NACfest and brought Rocktoberfest up here helping Bob/Liza make some money for F&F instead of 5 of us going down to RC again, including hanging around helping setting everything up and making sure everything got cleaned up/prepped for dinner, etc. Sorry if helping with UJ hasn't been my top priority. Get over yourself. :rolleyes:

If half the people showed up unannounced for NACfest, I would make it clear that there may not be any BBQ for them and we can't guarantee camping. It's really not that big of a deal. Want to show up late? Don't get the perks of pre-registering. The reason Bill has made a point of it this year is because we have less than 10 people pre-registered. There's almost no point in a BBQ.

As for the money that goes to the land acquisition fund, I think it has good intentions, and while I haven't researched what a piece of property that we actually WANT costs, I can't imagine we will actually be able to purchase it in any reasonable amount of time. I remember when Gretchen was ready to let go of her land and we would NEVER have been able to afford to keep that if Bob and Liza hadn't hopped into that lease.
As Colin said, it is a lot of backend work to get an event going. Mainly trying to keep funding straight and deal with making sure everyone paid and has a good time.

If it wasn't for Colin/Rob/Travis/Chris the events would not go as smooth. I need to be able to say "Rob do food", "Chris make sure we have the pavilion", "Colin be sure we are booked at the venue", "Travis show up". etc. Once they've got those things sorted I can handle the rest as far as regs, shirts, plagues, raffle, etc. It isn't rocket science but it does take time and someone to stay on top of it.

The issue with NACFest this year is really the shirts and the BBQ. I need to purchase shirts before the event which means I need the cash, I can't front any part of it this year. As Colin said, it isn't worth doing the BBQ if we have only a handful of people. Do I need 5 months to get that together, heck no. Does the cost to us more than double if someone shows up late? No way.

I'm not sure what the land fund does. We donated $500 as NAC NAXJA a year ago to it and we didn't even get so much as a Thank You. No call, no email, nothing. Just cashed the check and we never heard anything else.

Never saw any work days anywhere last year, o and we did have a bunch of people show up last minute at rocktoberfest, a simple phone call fixed that sat morning.
Exactly. Not hard when you have someone like Rob plan ahead for all the situations.
 
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They also considered the fact that camp jeep and jeep jamboree are $500 to $600 for a similar event. If anyone is really that bothered just sign up on the nea forum and voice your concerns. If attendance suffers this year they will change the format since this is by far their biggest money maker
I do see your point, but...
$325 or $750/family and have you seen the schedules?
Surely not a dinner off a picnic table.
 
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jeep jambos are SERIOUS events. they have PA systems with projectors, play pictures from the day, and have a full staff dedicated to running the event. besides wheeling, they have games and whatever for people who stay at camp.
 
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If it wasn't for Colin/Rob/Travis/Chris the events would not go as smooth. I need to be able to say "Rob do food", "Chris make sure we have the pavilion", "Colin be sure we are booked at the venue", "Travis show up". etc. Once they've got those things sorted I can handle the rest as far as regs, shirts, plagues, raffle, etc. It isn't rocket science but it does take time and someone to stay on top of it.


:roflmao: I love it



As for fall crawl and the NEA- I was involved with it, volunteered, went to NEA meetings, helped by offering my time/effort at Fall Crawl, for years. Comparing then to now, I can say that in my personal opinion, the NEA has gone to SHIT, and Fall Crawl is no longer what Fall Crawl was supposed to be, and at this point I'm totally fine with saying I won't be spending any of my money to be there. It's great hanging out with friends, having a good time, and enjoying the trails etc. But That's what it was supposed to be, just have everyone get together and have a good time, with wheeling, and get people as much stuff for as cheap as possible. Now it's like the wheeling version of Obamacare and it's ****ing stupid. Just my $0.02
 
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:roflmao: I love it



As for fall crawl and the NEA- I was involved with it, volunteered, went to NEA meetings, helped by offering my time/effort at Fall Crawl, for years. Comparing then to now, I can say that in my personal opinion, the NEA has gone to SHIT, and Fall Crawl is no longer what Fall Crawl was supposed to be, and at this point I'm totally fine with saying I won't be spending any of my money to be there. It's great hanging out with friends, having a good time, and enjoying the trails etc. But That's what it was supposed to be, just have everyone get together and have a good time, with wheeling, and get people as much stuff for as cheap as possible. Now it's like the wheeling version of Obamacare and it's ****ing stupid. Just my $0.02
:kissyou:
Had to have some humor in that post. To much serious.


Yup. As I mentioned before Angel and I will see how this year goes and see what happens for next year. Heck even last year I had way more fun at RocktoberFest than FC.
 
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comparing a nac event to fc is not a fair comparison, im going to guess you got a 1/4 of the people at nacfest than you have at fc. plus on top of that at nacfest the camp ground and trails are setup by the business owners in a way for people to be funneled in a way you have to pay to use which f&f is not setup to well to handle well. what is there to stop someone from showing up at 2 am friday night not paying

i have no problem with bumping up the price over time because that tends to cause a lot of headaches for the organizers with late signups so its a way for them to promote earlier signups i do agree the $150 for at the gate is a little too high but i liek the idea behind it.

as far as patch's point i don't think every member of uj should be attending nea meetings and planning shit out because that is what you are paying the club to do for you, like how i pay naxja and let you guys do the leg work for me. but if you wan to just post shit up on a forum about how ****ed up things are come up with ideas on how to fix it by using first hand experience than rather post that on a forum that no one in the nea bod reads do it on the nea's forum where there are active discussions about planning (mostly bitching but there is planning)
 
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Wow you guys get sensitive quick huh? My point is that it's not $150 now, it's $60. You have 2 MONTHS to preregister, it's not like they gave you 2 weeks. I was just ribbing you guys about not contributing to UJ, but I rarely, if ever, see you on a run anymore, let alone a meeting or a trail cut, and for some of you your UJ membership is the only reason you can attend an NEA event, so don't just bitch here, get on the NEA site or go to a meeting and thow your opinion out there, otherwise plan ahead, pay the $60 now and be done with it. I appreciate the planning and work that you guys do for the NAC events, they're always well put together and they run smoothly.

Also Bill, I'll get shitfaced drunk when and where I want, don't like it? Don't hang out with me, I certainly don't go running to spend time with you.
 
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Wow you guys get sensitive quick huh? My point is that it's not $150 now, it's $60. You have 2 MONTHS to preregister, it's not like they gave you 2 weeks. I was just ribbing you guys about not contributing to UJ, but I rarely, if ever, see you on a run anymore, let alone a meeting or a trail cut, and for some of you your UJ membership is the only reason you can attend an NEA event, so don't just bitch here, get on the NEA site or go to a meeting and thow your opinion out there, otherwise plan ahead, pay the $60 now and be done with it. I appreciate the planning and work that you guys do for the NAC events, they're always well put together and they run smoothly.

Also Bill, I'll get shitfaced drunk when and where I want, don't like it? Don't hang out with me, I certainly don't go running to spend time with you.

The posts last night were humorous and meant to be for within this crowd. Blowing off steam at (you have to admit) a horrible payment process for 2014's day and age. It looks like some of it was cleaned up now. Should I have the insight or drive to want to change something at FC I would, I have an NEA login.

I know Pat. I know. :D
It rubbed me a bit when you came off as sitting on a throne 'cause you attended a meeting. We all do something to plan some event at some point, don't chastise us for not going to an NEA meeting. Drink up buddy, it's why we have events like RocktoberFest. I couldn't care less about how tipsy you get or how many dick jokes you tell. As long as you and everyone else have a good time, it is all good. I don't think you see it that way though.
 
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comparing a nac event to fc is not a fair comparison, im going to guess you got a 1/4 of the people at nacfest than you have at fc. plus on top of that at nacfest the camp ground and trails are setup by the business owners in a way for people to be funneled in a way you have to pay to use which f&f is not setup to well to handle well. what is there to stop someone from showing up at 2 am friday night not paying

There was mutual trust way back when, and it's been gone for a while. Not to sound like I'm some old timer or something, but it's true. And, the fact of the matter was, if you were in a position like Chris for example, you could show up late, pay for camping, sleep in your truck or steal a corner of someone's tent, and you just grilled yourself a burger Saturday evening; no big deal. Other than camping, someone in that kind of situation isn't a burden at all. In fact it's a good thing, because it's another person there who can spend money on the raffle. If I could show up and pay for camping this year I would likely go. The NEA can kiss my ass if they think it's ok to charge me $150 to hang out with my friends and spend money at a raffle. Like I said, it's just from my standpoint personally. Not saying it's right or wrong the direction things have gone the past few years, but I myself am not a fan.


But I don't have a jeep anymore anyways so whatevs
 
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The posts last night were humorous and meant to be for within this crowd. Blowing off steam at (you have to admit) a horrible payment process for 2014's day and age. It looks like some of it was cleaned up now. Should I have the insight or drive to want to change something at FC I would, I have an NEA login.

I know Pat. I know. :D
It rubbed me a bit when you came off as sitting on a thrown 'cause you attended a meeting. We all do something to plan some event at some point, don't chastise us for not going to an NEA meeting. Drink up buddy, it's why we have events like RocktoberFest. I couldn't care less about how tipsy you get or how many dick jokes you tell. As long as you and everyone else have a good time, it is all good. I don't think you see it that way though.


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