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hmmm... I definitely need to either get an adjustable track bar or redrill my stock mounting position, since I'm getting death wobble I'd like something stronger anyways... can't decide between iron rock offroad or ironman 4x4 though. Based on the pics I am leaning toward IRO.


it dont matter if the length is wrong on the track bar that wont cause D/W, its loose shit that screws everything up.
 
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I'm not sure, I think I would probably use Mighty Putty for that.

hmmm... I definitely need to either get an adjustable track bar or redrill my stock mounting position, since I'm getting death wobble I'd like something stronger anyways... can't decide between iron rock offroad or ironman 4x4 though. Based on the pics I am leaning toward IRO.
I am deciding between IRO and Kevin's for mine.. Can't say I looked into reviews for either though, so for all I know there's a reason that Kevin's offroad isnt listed as an option for yours.

I am really tempted to pick up the IRO longarm kit.. but I don't need that just yet. Their stuff looks good and I will probably be using quite a bit of it myself when the time comes to upgrade.
 
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it dont matter if the length is wrong on the track bar that wont cause D/W, its loose shit that screws everything up.
I know, but mine's stock and the joints/bushings are probably pretty worn out by this point... it's also mad rusty just like everything else under my Jeep lol.
 
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I am really tempted to pick up the IRO longarm kit.. but I don't need that just yet. Their stuff looks good.

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hmmm... I definitely need to either get an adjustable track bar or redrill my stock mounting position, since I'm getting death wobble I'd like something stronger anyways... can't decide between iron rock offroad or ironman 4x4 though. Based on the pics I am leaning toward IRO.
Both of those places are making some scary (not in a good way) products. As far as IRO, I wouldn't want a TRE on my trackbar. IronMan4x4 trackbar makes me shiver with that post thing to attempt to get a double shear. Sure the joint is now double shear, but you still have a single shear bolt on that awkward bracket.
If you are going to spend the money and not build one, get a RE HD or JKS or something else that isn't a hack. There is a reason they are more expensive, and in the end is the $30-50 or so savings really worth it? Do it the correct way, steering/axle alignment isn't something to skimp on.

Ken, I'm not picking on you here, just my opinions. :)
I am really tempted to pick up the IRO longarm kit.. but I don't need that just yet. Their stuff looks good and I will probably be using quite a bit of it myself when the time comes to upgrade.
Please stay away from that. I know I speak for more than a few people when I say that I think that "critical path" kit has some very critical design flaws.
 
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:thumbup: yay bill for good posting :)
 
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Both of those places are making some scary (not in a good way) products. As far as IRO, I wouldn't want a TRE on my trackbar. IronMan4x4 trackbar makes me shiver with that post thing to attempt to get a double shear. Sure the joint is now double shear, but you still have a single shear bolt on that awkward bracket.
If you are going to spend the money and not build one, get a RE HD or JKS or something else that isn't a hack. There is a reason they are more expensive, and in the end is the $30 or so savings really worth it?
Do it the correct way, steering/axle alignment isn't something to skimp on.

Ken, I'm not picking on you here, just my opinions. :)
I figured as much - I was actually sorta trolling for responses like this when I posted :anon: I'd much rather find out BEFORE buying one than after. Also, when I said "from the pictures" that franken-double-shear-thing is what I was talking about... I was looking at that going "uh, doesn't that just move the problem one step further up?"

I don't *think* I'll need anything stronger than a TRE, but then again I'm a newbie to this whole lifting/wheeling-anything-but-stock idea... I didn't even mean to lift my Jeep, it just sorta happened :dunno: I blame the sagging stock rear leafs for getting me looking at such things.

EDIT: Colin, I think it was you - whoever it was, someone was telling me about a place in Worcester on rt20 where good quality U-bolts can be had for cheap. Was that the spring fab company or some other place?
 
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Thats what I originally thought... but reviews didn't seem too bad, those that have it seem to like it. Granted people liking it doesn't eliminate the issues that may arise... :shrug: I wasn't *sold* on the critical path system, I just read about it and figured it may be worth trying out (relatively inexpensive so if it does suck I could pawn it off for half price and go with a more expensive setup).
 
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don't cheap out on a trackbar

trust me

i would rather spend an extra hundred bucks for a quality unit and forget about it.

trust me once you are lying on your back in the mud when its 30 degrees out fixing it you will think the same thing.
 
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you need a sweet avatar and sig now
Yeah I do. I already started typing up a sig, but ended up realizing I was 3 min late for the meeting I was supposed to be running. haha.

I gotta get out wheeling again to get a avatar pic. It sucks that I don't have a PC cable for my old phone. I don't have service on that phone anymore so I can't log in and upload all my wheeling pics/videos from it to the web.

Maybe I will swing by a sprint store and see if they can pull the files off of it and dump them onto my new phone.

Edit: So now I have to decide between a RE and BDS Long arm upgrade kit. I still got time, so I guess I can look into them more. Kinda tempted to stick with BDS. That's what I have for suspension now and I like it, so might as well stick with what I know
 
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don't cheap out on a trackbar

trust me

i would rather spend an extra hundred bucks for a quality unit and forget about it.

trust me once you are lying on your back in the mud when its 30 degrees out fixing it you will think the same thing.
Fully understood... guess I'll save my pennies, I don't think I have that much space in my budget atm, gotta keep some breathing room for a d30 with 4.10s already in it (if I can find one I want to jump on it fast) and/or other bits&pieces. The JKS one looks pretty awesome, but I'm almost sure it's extremely overbuilt for what I need. I think the IRO one looks about like the RE one (RE1600?) except for the heim used instead of a TRE. What does the stock TB use (dumb question, I know)? I was of the opinion that they used balljoints/TREs but then I watched a forklift throw an XJ around with the tine stuck beween the track bar and the oil pan/uniframe so hard that the back end and right side of the junker came off the ground... without breaking the joint or even really loosening it up.
 
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EDIT: Colin, I think it was you - whoever it was, someone was telling me about a place in Worcester on rt20 where good quality U-bolts can be had for cheap. Was that the spring fab company or some other place?

ballard mack will bend you up some u bolts there a little costly, also spring rebuilders a little bit past ballard on 20 will also bend you up some i think there a little cheaper, i bought from both.
 
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I think spring rebuilders is the one I was thinking of. I'll have to check their prices.
 
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just found this gem



i hate how the camera angle makes the climb look super bitch.

check out the horizon line
 
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I'm not sure, I think I would probably use Mighty Putty for that.

hmmm... I definitely need to either get an adjustable track bar or redrill my stock mounting position, since I'm getting death wobble I'd like something stronger anyways... can't decide between iron rock offroad or ironman 4x4 though. Based on the pics I am leaning toward IRO.
Well, as said before neither of those two companies.
I also never understood why people thought that redrilling the stock mounting position is good/will do anything?

it dont matter if the length is wrong on the track bar that wont cause D/W, its loose shit that screws everything up.
X2. The trackbar length won't do it, its the loose ends in that trackbar that will.
 
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Well, my axle is not centered... it drives pretty well (I can take my hands off the wheel* on the highway for a few hundred feet and still be right in the middle of the lane) but I know I need to fix it properly eventually. The ghetto/cheap fix for re-centering the axle is to move the mounting hole so that the axle is centered but you still get the same crappy angle. I don't want to do that. I'm leaning towards getting the JKS one in a few weeks when I can afford it simply because it looks better built than the RE1600.

While I'm talking from where the sun don't shine... what's wrong with the IRO critical path kit? I'm not debating that it's got issues, but just trying to figure out if I'm right about the issues... What I see:
* what's with that web of metal they put between the upper/lower links on the driver side arm? It doesn't look very well attached to the links, and for that matter, they weakened it a lot by blasting their logo into it.
* same thing with the subframe/crossmember. Also, I don't see much gusseting or crossbracing or much of anything except right angles in the crossmember, which makes me nervous.

I'm not trying to say I know anything about it... just trying to figure out if I'm seeing the same issues you guys are, or if I'm completely wrong.

* I obviously kept my hands within like a quarter inch of the wheel, ready to grab it at any second while doing this. I'm not THAT stupid ;)
 
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I'm leaning towards getting the JKS one in a few weeks when I can afford it simply because it looks better built than the RE1600.
There is also the RE1660.
While I'm talking from where the sun don't shine... what's wrong with the IRO critical path kit?
Lots. I'm not typing it all out. That UCA adj. bracket thingy they have is horrendous. Let alone a fixed upper to lower arm. I will say that I don't think cutting out their logo changed much of the strength of that web piece. Sure, it will be alittle weaker, but do some analysis of it and you'll see that the middle of that web isn't really taking all the force, it is the outer edges of the triangle piece that sees the load.
 
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