The Final Straw on Climate Change Lies???

bigalpha said:
Did you know that if we were to explode Panama into nothing and created a free-flowing bridge of water between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, it would cause a global climate change.
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prove it, prove it wouldn't improve global climate
 
bigalpha said:
You think it's impossible for humans to alter global climate?
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Stay focused. I believe that man's past and current actions have and will continue to have insignificant effects on our global climate. The Earth was create for the use of man and we need to be good stewards. Man has tossed God aside and has tried to assume control, yet we are frequently reminded of our lack on control on the climate, the weather, the process that continues to alter the surface of the Earth.

Case in point.

I spent last weekend hiking around in the desert near the Utah/Arizona border. While making my way up a remote sandy wash, bordered by ancient lava flows and pertrified sand dunes, I found a recently unearthed shell, about 2" in diameter in the damp, sandy wash. It had rained a few days before and this ancient sea shell had apparently washed down from above. I looked exactly like the clam shells that I've picked up on the beach on the West Coast.

Man-made climate change did not place a crustacean in the desert, 500 miles inland from the Pacific Ocean. Maybe a tourist from California dropped it in the wash recently..........could happen, right?

But explain the fossilized sea creatures in the rocks that we find laying about in the No. Utah shale quarry, at the 7,500ft elevation. Did man cause this? Could man cause this?

Simple examples......this all happened before the modern influences of man and the historic changes to our Earth and climate were massive........and the process continues.


Do I think we should be good stewards of this Earth? Yes, but I do not worship the Earth, junk science or the actions of those who's objective is the removal of God-given freedoms and the extortion of money from the masses for the financial gain of a few who've self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Church of Green.
 
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^ I don't see how junk change proponents can argue with this. Plain and simple, can't say it any better than XJEEPER just did....
 
XJEEPER said:
Stay focused. I believe that man's past and current actions have and will continue to have insignificant effects on our global climate. The Earth was create for the use of man and we need to be good stewards. Man has tossed God aside and has tried to assume control, yet we are frequently reminded of our lack on control on the climate, the weather, the process that continues to alter the surface of the Earth.

Case in point.

I spent last weekend hiking around in the desert near the Utah/Arizona border. While making my way up a remote sandy wash, bordered by ancient lava flows and pertrified sand dunes, I found a recently unearthed shell, about 2" in diameter in the damp, sandy wash. It had rained a few days before and this ancient sea shell had apparently washed down from above. I looked exactly like the clam shells that I've picked up on the beach on the West Coast.

Man-made climate change did not place a crustacean in the desert, 500 miles inland from the Pacific Ocean. Maybe a tourist from California dropped it in the wash recently..........could happen, right?

But explain the fossilized sea creatures in the rocks that we find laying about in the No. Utah shale quarry, at the 7,500ft elevation. Did man cause this? Could man cause this?

Simple examples......this all happened before the modern influences of man and the historic changes to our Earth and climate were massive........and the process continues.


Do I think we should be good stewards of this Earth? Yes, but I do not worship the Earth, junk science or the actions of those who's objective is the removal of God-given freedoms and the extortion of money from the masses for the financial gain of a few who've self-appointed themselves as leaders of the Church of Green.
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Just because Man is unable to lift entire tectonic plates does not mean that Man isn't capable of changing the climate and/or climatic processes. Man did not cause the Utah shale to move to it's current location but man is capable of excavating whole mountains for the purpose of mining what's beneath.

I believe that with the amount of destruction we do to this planet we are surely altering it for the worse; climate included. Is Man capable of altering ocean currents? Sure. Is Man capable of causing the eruption of some volcanoes? Yes, I believe so. Could Man cause entire seas to dry up? Yes.

Now, Man doesn't currently do those things on purpose (maybe with the exception of drying up whole seas). Could drying up a whole sea cause a climate change? Sure. Is it necessarily going to cause a global climate change? Probably not. Are there enough people in the world causing enough pollution and generally running this place all to hell to cause everything to go out of whack? Sure, I think so.

At this point, everything is only going to get worse since Man is generally incapable of policing itself (himself?) for the betterment of Man. I am 200% in agreement with being good stewards of the land and reducing pollution and all of that fairytale ending crap, though it'll have to be done be forcefully.
 
Well, God bless us one and all.

I have a plan. This idea came to me many years ago when some S*itheads decided what we really needed in the West was MORE wolves. The thought process goes like this: Progressive Socialists sitting around sucking on a Bong decided that wouldn't it be good if there were more wolves in the Western states where they used to exist? So, we get imported wolves. Now, why did they start in the West? I mean, wolves used to roam the entire U.S., and they were wiped out in the East first. So, not sucking on a Bong, I think the East should get imported wolves first--see how that works out for you.

Well, you might ask, how does this apply to preventing pollution and man-made-Global Warming/man-made Global Climate Change? I'll tell you--all of you "Watermelons" (Green on the outside, Red on the inside) please feel free to pack your s*it and go to China and India and get them to clean up their act. Once you accomplish that, please feel free to pack your s*it and come back here and give it another go. Bye-bye! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Just kidding, we would really miss you!
 
XJEEPER said:
Stay focused. I believe that man's past and current actions have and will continue to have insignificant effects on our global climate. The Earth was create for the use of man and we need to be good stewards. Man has tossed God aside and has tried to assume control, yet we are frequently reminded of our lack on control on the climate, the weather, the process that continues to alter the surface of the Earth.
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The convenient truth is that God makes an excellent scapegoat for life's problems.
 
Holy effing shit, why can't people get past the difference between "climate change" and "environmentally conscientious"???? Why do you have to keep roping "climate change" or "global warming" and the schemes that go with it (carbon credits) when in reality, we just need to do what someone said and "be good stewards" - AGAIN (I know I said this a million times already - 3.457 million to be exact) - it isn't about whether the planet is warming or cooling - you WON'T stop that - it isn't about ice caps melting or freezing - you WON'T stop that - it's about having a hospitable planet to live on in 100 or 200 or 500 years.

WTF...end the damn argument already....

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Great, let's bring god and religion into the Climate Change argument....make it a COMPLETELY ridiculous thread....

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I'm a bit suprised no one has mention deforestation in discussing examples of human influence on climate. Deforestation impacts rainfall/humidity, a primary aspect of climate. In fact, how much rainfall an area receives and when it receives it is a principle determinant in classifying climate. A region with a Mediterranean climate, for example, receives most of its precip in the winter IIRC. The southeastern USA has a humid subtropical climate.

The effect of deforestation on climate :

“When the forests are cut down, less moisture is evapotranspired into the atmosphere resulting in the formation of fewer rain clouds. Subsequently there is a decline in rainfall, subjecting the area to drought. If rains stop falling, within a few years the area can become arid with the strong tropical sun baking down on the scrub-land. Today Madagascar is largely a red, treeless desert from generations of forest clearing with fire. River flows decline and smaller amounts of quality water reach cities and agricultural lands. The declining rainfall in interior West African countries has in part been attributed to excessive clearing of the coastal rainforests. Similarly, new research in Australia suggests that if it were not for human influences—specifically widespread agricultural fires—the dry outback might be a wetter, more hospitable place than it is today. The effect of vegetation change from forests that favor rainfall to grassland and bush can impact precipitation patterns. Colombia, once second in the world with freshwater reserves, has fallen to 24th due to its extensive deforestation over the past 30 years.”

http://rainforests.mongabay.com/0902.htm

http://news.mongabay.com/2005/0919-nasa.html


Big A is right about uplift being the mechanism for the positioning of marine fossils into high, continental positions. And one other thing….clams are mollusks, not crustaceans.
 
Rod Knee, Don't confuse the issues with facts.

The earth will continue, but as weather changes many species will become extinct and many may evolve to the new climate.
 
Boatwrench said:
Rod Knee, Don't confuse the issues with facts.

The earth will continue, but as weather changes many species will become extinct and many may evolve to the new climate.
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Zoologists approximate that only 20% of all living animals have, to date, been accounted for and studied. Further, paleontologists reckon that of all species ever to exist, less than 1% are known to us.
 
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