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Texas Utility rates exploding &.....

Ecomike

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Here is the latest fallout from the Electric utility deregulation in Texas thanks to the Reagan Republican Movement that started in the 80's to deregulate everything under the sun and let a so called free market control prices. Only problem is the markets are not free, they are being controlled by scoundrels and crooks now, not by a free market, with no government oversight left to keep the crooks in check. They deregulated banks, insurance, lending institutions, credit cards, PENSIONS, utilities like electric service, and now WE are paying the price. They essentially scrapped the Glass - Steagal Act that was put in place during the Great Depression to stop another collapse like the one that started the Great Depression. And now we are seeing the results of that.

Here are the latest bad results from PUC deregulation of electric service in Texas.

http://www.puc.state.tx.us/files/POLR_052908.pdf

http://www.electricitybid.com/elect...ricity-electric-company-no-longer-in-business

"Beginning May 16, the Electricity Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) switched approximately 8,400 customers of Pre-Buy Electricity to a POLR. ERCOT has announced beginning Wednesday, May 28, it will switch approximately 15,000 customers of National Power Company to a POLR or another designated retail electric provider (REP). ERCOT initiated these switches because Pre-Buy and National Power defaulted on payment obligations.
Customers that were on a variable rate plan with National Power are being switched to Amigo Energy, which is not a POLR. Amigo has agreed to honor the terms of the customers plan with National Power. Customers on a fixed rate plan will be switched to a POLR."

Thank God they have not privatized Social Security! If they ever do it will no doubt go the way of Enron and Bear Stears.

They can NOT blame this one on the Democrats in Texas.

"Many people may remember a few months ago we saw Riverway Power Company and National Power Company with outstanding low electric rates on the Power to Choose website. They were for 6 month and 12 month fixed electric rate terms and were a couple cents cheaper then the other electric providers. The government Power to Choose website gives any company listed on their a bit of authority as many people including myself assume that the rate must be accurate if the Texas government lists it on their site. This however has not been proven to be true as these two companies sold one thing and then a few months later told their customers, “Sorry looks like we will have to raise that “fixed rate” on you a
few cents higher.”


"This rate hike on a supposedly fixed electric rate had a huge backlash as their energy customers contacted about every consumer protection agency in existence telling them they had been dupped in a bait and switch scheme by a Texas electric provider. The Public Utility Commission of Texas did not take this lightly but instead abruptly took these two electric companies rates off their website. The PUCT made National Power honor their original fixed electric rate they offered their customers and as of today they have gone out of business. Up until National Power went out of business
they were asking customers to stay with them as they would be honoring the original advertised electric rate. Now National Power customers are left searching for another electric provider when the Texas electricity market is close to an all time historical high."

http://www.electricitybid.com/elect...d-it-national-power-is-going-out-of-business/

"Electric companies in Texas work from very small tight margins. When an electric company sells straight MCPE rates as fixed electric rates and do not hedge the price of the energy they either have to eat the loss if the price goes backwards or attempt to pass that cost onto the customer. The PUCT has recently put a stop to allowing electric companies to pass on the cost to the customer. A major problem with National Power company and Etricity Electric provider is that they have $200 - $300 deposits entrusted to them by their customers that these customers will never see again. Another company by the name of Prebuy Electric did not require a deposit but some customers who prepaid for their electricity never received that electricity and were switched to the POLR rate before they could run out their prepaid electric service with PreBuy Electric. A lot of people who really need that money no longer have it. f you are an Etricity customer you have been switched to the Provider of Last Resort by the Texas government and are paying anywhere from 22 - 30 cents kWh.In comparison a cheap 12 month fixed electric rate as of June 4 2008 goes for about 14 - 15 cents kWh. If you were an Etricity customer you need to sign up with a new provider ASAP to avoid paying the 22 - 30 cent kWh rate."

So, my son just received a notice a that his retail electric service provider (REP, National Power) is bailing out of the Texas market, so he is being transferred to the POLR (basically the highest rates in Texas, Provider of Last Resort) which will probably triple his light bill due to summer rates, and the highest summer rates I have seen, in spite of the fact that he
honored his agreements with National Power.

To add insult to injury it seems that Centerpoint Energy (the part of Reliant Energy that handles and services the grid) drags their feet for 6 to 8 weeks doing the switch over of REPs, when all that is involved is reading the meter and switching who gets the paperwork in a computer for billing. So in other words, when you suddenly get raped by your REP on the electric rates (something I ran into this month myself) and want to "Choose" a new provider in Texas, the www.powertochoose.org becomes www.powertoRAPE.org , or maybe we should call it power to get screwed, as they drag their feet for 6 to 8 weeks forcing you pay the old providers rates and highest rates for another 6 to 8 weeks when they suddenly decide to raise rates. But if the current REP goes out of business, they switch you over immediately.
Hmmm?

So why can't they do all the switch overs immediately?

If you are, or have been screwed over by your REP recently, here is where you can file a complaint to the PUC. Probably a waist of time as the PUC is probably controlled by TXU and Reliant (Free Market, hands off....), but at least our complaints can be viewed by the news media (public access to complaints history and data) and broadcast on news stories that can affect the next and future elections.

https://www.puc.state.tx.us/WebApp/Public/Apps/complaint/pgComplaintForm.asp?TXT_ACTION=2


http://www.puc.state.tx.us/files/POLR_052908.pdf

"An ex-employee at NPC has provided some information on the status of National Power as of today (June 6 2008). Apparently they are shredding documents. This may be a good or bad thing. Since all their customers credit card information is on file in hard copy they may be trying to destroy that information so that no one steals your information. If that is the reason then good for them. They only have a couple accountants left there and a few phone customer support people. According to the ex-employee they are going to tell you whatever they have to in order to collect your balance.
From the employees and customers of National Power’s experience, NPC has been lying to collect balances due. Be careful when speaking with them in being lured into them telling you what they have to to get you to
pay up. They broke your fixed electric rate agreement, not the other way around."

found at:
http://www.electricitybid.com/electricity/index.php/2008/06/06/shredding-documents-at-npc/

"The latest issue I have seen is with Texas Retail Electric Providers requesting that you sign a 12 month contract to be on their variable rate. The issue we have with this is that these energy companies are working with a base energy rate that they do little in the form of hedging. This means if the rate skyrockets they pass that issue on to you and you end up
paying a really high bill one month when the variable market goes through the roof. To request that the customer sign a contract to a rate they have no guarantee on is a bit insulting to me."

Bear Stears:

http://www.thestreet.com/funds/followmoney/10372963.html

" Bear Stears executives, Greenberg, Molinaro, Cayne and Spector sold $57 million of stock before the crisis hit."
 
Sure we better not let them privatize social security!!! What? I would rather the government get out of the "control" business. If you are upset with the cost of electricity, turn off your computer, as for republican bashing The Regan capitol letter Republican, find me an honest Democrat (Capitol letter) and I'll show you a person who hasn't been caught yet. ALL politics seems to be led by the elitists with sheep that want to quote one side or the other. How about you take your soap box, break it up and burn it at night and it would save some electricity? As for me, set the prices as high as you wish, the free market will work, as soon as the whiny worms in our society stop wanting a mommy instead of a government. STOP WHINING and wheel, or S.T.F.U. and crawl back into your government run world and leave me alone to enjoy a website free of politics, from either side. You ruined my day, I'm gonna turn up my ac, pour a few gallons of gas on my lawn, and eat some f***in beef. F.Y.
 
msrorysddad said:
STOP WHINING and wheel, or S.T.F.U. and crawl back into your government run world and leave me alone to enjoy a website free of politics, from either side. You ruined my day, I'm gonna turn up my ac, pour a few gallons of gas on my lawn, and eat some f***in beef. F.Y.

:bawl: :cry: :tears: :bawl: :tear: :rattle:
:looser:

Quit crying yourself, you can ignore political discussions a lot easier than a rate hike. His rant ruined your day? Lame.
:sure:
 
all of it and probably tomorrow too. Wanna work on next week buster? As a matter of fact, I'm so mad I'm sick. See, that would lead into the whole government run health care debate. Why don't we leave the politics for the voting booth, and the whit and sarcasm to the web. I vote to go wheeling and read and write about wheeling. Can we, or should we brake out the soap boxes? You used the little faces on me, mow that wasn't very fair, so try this on for size:guitar:
 
You guys are free to discuss what you like, I only ask that you play nice and respect each other. I don't share the same political views with all of my friends and I don't expect all of you to.

A few points in the arguement.

Government regulation stifles innovation and encourages corruption.
A free market will self regulate if given free reins and enough time.
people who want a socialist society should move to one, not turn ours into one.
 
msrorysddad said:
all of it and probably tomorrow too. Wanna work on next week buster? As a matter of fact, I'm so mad I'm sick. See, that would lead into the whole government run health care debate. Why don't we leave the politics for the voting booth, and the whit and sarcasm to the web. I vote to go wheeling and read and write about wheeling. Can we, or should we brake out the soap boxes? You used the little faces on me, mow that wasn't very fair, so try this on for size:guitar:

:D
 
goodburbon said:
You guys are free to discuss what you like, I only ask that you play nice and respect each other. I don't share the same political views with all of my friends and I don't expect all of you to.

A few points in the arguement.

Government regulation stifles innovation and encourages corruption.
A free market will self regulate if given free reins and enough time.
people who want a socialist society should move to one, not turn ours into one.

VERY well put Burbon! :yelclap::yelclap::yelclap:
 
quote a man who can't spell now, will you!!! I just spotted this guy, take this:passgas:now I feel vindicated. I'm breathing deeply. I think the main problem is alot of "rich" people feel that more money will make them less an A. hole. Well it won't work. To leave your family multimillionaires makes them no less a looser, actually more so. I'm happy to spend time with the ones I love, and realize that everyone is my brother or sister, so screwing someone I don't know for cash for "my family" is screwing MY FAMILY. Untill people realize that we are all in this together (high school musical background music, please) we will always have these loosers tryin to put the screws to the "little guy". I'm proud to be a little guy, and will gladly go to my grave a broke person, with true friends and a family that understands me, than be buried in a gold box by people that think money matters in the end. :smsoap:
 
goodburbon said:
Too many words, synopsis please.

So read faster! LOL

Very brief summary:

We are getting screwed royally on our electric bills now thanks to deregulation in Texas. We use to pay 0.07 to 0.08 cents per Kwh here.

More detailed Summary:

My son's REP (Retail Electric Provider) and several others just went belly up here in Texas, so the PUC (Public Utility Commision) and ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas), just switched all those customers of those now defunct REPs, enmass to the POLR (Provider Of Last Resort), which means their electric rates just jumped from a fixed price contract rate of $0.12 per Kwh to as high as 0.30 per Kwh according to ERCOT and the PUC. On top of that they will not allow us to switch on a timely basis to another cheaper REP for 6 to 8 weeks!

So all hail the free enterprise system and deregulation, after all as ehall and few others here say about free unregulated markets "it works"!!!

For anyone else that has gotten stung by all this , the best short term fixed rate I have found is www.Greenmountain.com for 3 months. By then the rates hopefully will settle back down in time to lock in a long term rate. I have found that if you have been switched to POLR due your REP going out of business, the PUC has allowed the REPs to do out of cycle meter reads right away for you so you can switch off of the POLR rates, but the rest of us on month to month rates are screwed and we must wait 6 to 8 weeks as they will not do out of cycle meter reads for us. I signed up for a new fixed rate on June 3rd, but it won't go into effect till July 15th because of the meter read BS, and the 15 day wait antislamming rule (which protects us from slamming, but screws us by leaving us with the old REP an extra month). If you were an REP and a customer was leaving what would you do with their last months variable rate?

From what I have read a lot of people signed 12 month long term rate contracts earlier this year for $0.11 to 0.12 per KWh with one of 4 REPs that have now reniged on the agreements and or gone out of businness, leaving the residential customers stuck paying $0.25 to $0.30 per KWh with the POLR until they find and sign a new contract with some one new. Only problem is all the fixed term contracts are at all time highs right now as natural gas has gone up 80% in the last 12 weeks! Most Texas electricity is made with natural gas. So these poor bastrds are getting nailed twice right now when we have an energy guzzling heat wave here!

It all smacks of Enron to me and what they did California in 2002!!!!

To make matters worse, signing a 12 month contract right now just leaves you looking for a new rate the same time next year. Winter and summer are when the rates are highest! Right now no one except green mountain is offering anything but monthly variable rates which means you don't know what the rate is untill they send you a bill!:dunno::eek: , or the 12, 24 and 36 month plans with rates from 16 to 24 cents per Kwh.:eek: and $150 to $400 cancelation clauses!

SUCH A DEAL!!!!!!

Me, I am pssed off and looking for ways to get out of the game! Time to start running my house off my diesel jeep!
 
I'm sorry this confuses me a bit. I wanted electricty so I called the provider in our area. SLEMCO. I have no contract, no set prices, Just a bill every month. I don't think you have a problem with the free market, I think you have a problem with a retarded system and/or administration of that system.
 
goodburbon said:
I'm sorry this confuses me a bit. I wanted electricty so I called the provider in our area. SLEMCO. I have no contract, no set prices, Just a bill every month. I don't think you have a problem with the free market, I think you have a problem with a retarded system and/or administration of that system.
In other words you are real lucky, you still a have monopoly power provider regulated by the state PUC there, here it has been deregulated, and now its a screw the consumer free for all in Texas. It was sold to us by the Texas Bush Republicans as a free market process to get us more competitive utiltiy rates. Instead it has turned into the wholesale of rape of the consumers.

In your case you still have a state PUC that oversees the operation of the local power utilities and the PUC sets the rates based on hard documentation from the local power utilities as to their transparent operating costs. In return they get certain guarantees of a minimum profitabilty margin and you get a simple reliable electric service at a reasonable electric rate.

Here, there is still only one local grid operator in each area, but the generators and the retail, REPs are numerous and independent of the Grid here now. So the grid accepts power from the generators and delivers power to the end users, the generators sell power to the REPs, the REPs sell power to the end users, the grid companies transport the power and bills the REPs, the REPs bill the end users (you get to pick the REP from dozens of REPs) and ERCOT regulates the grids and the process, and the PUC supposedly regulates the whole mess. Power failures & meter reading are handled by the local grid operator.

See how simple it is! LOL. The more middle men you add the more mark up and profit and thus the more cost to the end user. :doh:
 
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you're on point with the runnin your house on somethin other than the grid. We're sellin our house in the big city of Clifton and movin out to some land one of the first things I'm lookin into are wind generators, and solar. You tagged it when you said we want it now, well I'm paraphrasing. It seems we've been tricked into the sign on the line, don't worry be happy deal. I promise to try to not fall for it so much. I've worked in Canada where they sell fuel by the liter, I always love the new guy pointin out how cheap the fuel is, till they fill up. We are better than that, we improvise, and seem to solve our own problems. The less we depend on the large corporations, the less they can charge.
 
msrorysddad said:
Eco, you are a info monster. Use small words and write slower, you confuse me, and ONCE again it makes me sad

Sorry for all the BIG lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnng words, comes with the job I do. I consume about 500 written pages a day of reading material. Been doing that for 35 years now.

I had a boss many moons ago, Canadian, that told me about a Gas sign at the US Canadian border that said "Last Chance to buy gas for $.041 cents per gallon" on the way into Canada. There was always a lonnnnnng line at that gas station. Funny thing was all the gas stations in Canada had gas for a lot less than the $.041 cents per gallon!

:shiver:
 
But Eco, I think you're missing the point that is being made about taking our lives out of the hands of the government and putting back into the hands of citizens where it belongs.

The simple fact of the matter is that when people truly get fed up with paying the high prices they will find other ways to adapt to the situation. When they do that, the suppliers will then start to lose money and be forced to reduce their prices. It is the natural way of things...well natural when you don't involve the government. It just takes time.

Sure, people have gotten spoiled around here and are use to wasting electricity, but when they get sick of paying the higher bills they will change their habits and reduce consumption.

Saying that we're "forced" to use any particular system is only a 1/2 truth. We can decide to use the system that is available or choose to do something different. It's all a matter of choice my friend.

If you're truly disgruntled about the service and the cost of the service provided, then find a way around the system. Please don't ask me to give up more of my already disappearing freedoms because you do no want to do something different.

The United States is a republican government. It is meant to be governed by the citizens. What you are complaining about is a government that dictates to the citizens and has their hands in everything that we do and experience. I personally do not want that type of government. The people who revolted against English rule did not want that type of government. If you do want that type of government perhaps you should check out the Socialist Party USA.
 
Being from a socialist governed country I have been living under both systems and of course both have their positives and negatives.
In my old country where a lot of large businesses was ran by the government or heavily supported by the government it has proved itself not to be very efficient. These days a lot of these businesses are now being turned in to private companies and turns profitable.
I believe that the government should keep a certain amount of control with private businesses and should step in if things are out of control. It's hard to say what is the best way to run a country as all political systems have their advantages and disadvantages.

I agree with some of the statements made by others here. It does suck that we are kind of being tricked in to some contracts that aren't what they were supposed to be and it suck that prices are raising with an increased rate.

It was mentioned that people will look for other means to help themselves and I think it is pretty obvious that this is happening in regard to i.e. electricity prices. There is a boom in sales of low enery light bulbs and insulation supplies.

I'm sure that both the electrical companies and the oil companies soon will realize that they have been squeezing us too hard, but at that time it will be too late and we will be using their products in a much more efficient manner.

:spin1:
 
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