Since ScottMac and Hinkley decided to ruin a perfectly good thread Jes and I had going I'll have to start a new one with my questions. 
About an 1/8 of a mile past (heading south) the horse refuge sign there is a pull out and a trail off to the left of the paved road. It's just before the exit to carnage. Isn't that one of the trails? I had ruled it out and didn't explore before it dawned on me that could be it. I'm thinking it's the one with a large ledge to get in and almost everyone has to winch it to get started.
Also, where is that trail south of Blacks Creek Res.? I've looked for it a few times, but haven't been able to make it before dark. Isn't it fairly close to that train bridge?
Checked out about three others on the opposite side of the road from carnage and only found sh*t people were hauling out there and shooting. One of these day's I'm going to catch one of those ********s and make them eat their trash and claim ownership of a new gun until they clean up an entire area.
Lincoln

About an 1/8 of a mile past (heading south) the horse refuge sign there is a pull out and a trail off to the left of the paved road. It's just before the exit to carnage. Isn't that one of the trails? I had ruled it out and didn't explore before it dawned on me that could be it. I'm thinking it's the one with a large ledge to get in and almost everyone has to winch it to get started.
Also, where is that trail south of Blacks Creek Res.? I've looked for it a few times, but haven't been able to make it before dark. Isn't it fairly close to that train bridge?
Checked out about three others on the opposite side of the road from carnage and only found sh*t people were hauling out there and shooting. One of these day's I'm going to catch one of those ********s and make them eat their trash and claim ownership of a new gun until they clean up an entire area.

Lincoln