sqaure driveshaft?? anyone?

[88rockxj]

Oh, I don't limit myself to criticizing just poor grammar and spelling!

I also enjoy criticizing:

Poor welding, bad ideas, inadequate design, inept execution, silly questions, antiquated technology, undersized drivetrain components, General Motors products, and leaf springs on the front of XJ's.

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HINKLEY!

I love shoveling crap at Hinkley.

Loosen up 88rockXJ, you've got your panties wadded for no reason. So you're spelling and typing handicapped; all of us have shortcomings.

Just don't let a square-tubed driveshaft be one of them.

CRASH

i was trying to get your panties in a wad but it didnt work, now mine are in even more of a wad

 

[seanR]

i was trying to get your panties in a wad but it didnt work, now mine are in even more of a wad

Your I should have been upper case.

 

[Dirk Pitt]

but onto the actual debate, yeah you are a round shape is pound for pound the strongest shape but guess what theres slip and splines involved. you therefore are transfering the torque load to the splines, a stock shaft with stock splines is no where near the strength of a square shaft which uses its shape as the splines unlike a round tube.

So, if a square tube inside another square tube is superior to, and cheaper than a splined solid shaft, why don't they use them in the first place?

Because they look pretty?

 

[Dirk Pitt]

Your I should have been upper case.

If we're going to go there...

There should have been a period after "it didn't work." Then, "Now," should have been capitalized.

Thanks.

 

[CRASH]

On to the actual debate. Yes you are correct, a round shape is pound for pound the strongest shape; but guess what, there's a slip and splines involved. You are therefore transfering the torque load to the splines. A stock shaft, with stock splines, is no where near the strength of a square shaft, which uses its shape as the splines, unlike a round tube.

(Isn't it much easier to read with spelling and grammar corrected?) :wave:

Why would we compare a stock splined shaft to a square shaft? If we are "upgrading", then we need to talk about upgraded slip yokes, correct?

When you look at the data, and talk to the pros building shafts, you will find that a 1310 driveline universal joint fails FAR before a splined slip yoke. Same is true for a 1330. When you step up to a 1350 or 1410 joint, the slip grows accordingly, and is still much stronger than the joint. In fact, my aftermarket 1310 shaft uses the larger 1350 slip!

So what are we achieving with this super-strong square shaft? In essence, nothing, as I can build a round tube shaft out of DOM that balances better, glides over rocks easier, and can be run on the highway.

The failure point from a torsional load standpoint is still the same: the driveline u-joint.

 

[Lawn Cher']

So, if a square tube inside another square tube is superior to, and cheaper than a splined solid shaft, why don't they use them in the first place?

Because they look pretty?

No, silly! If they made all driveshafts out of square tube there'd be nothing left for trailer hitches!

 

[red91]

Oh, I don't limit myself to criticizing just poor grammar and spelling!


I love shoveling crap at Hinkley.



CRASH

Please provide an example ____________________________ <------- here

 

[88rockxj]

So, if a square tube inside another square tube is superior to, and cheaper than a splined solid shaft, why don't they use them in the first place?

Because they look pretty?

reread my posts, i think you missed something. i never knew stock shafts in an xj were solid??? where did i say they were superior to anything other then a stock shaft and its splines????? where did i say a square shaft is cheaper then a solid shaft??? is a square shaft cheaper then a stock shaft???? probably not. why would somone build a square shaft when a stock shaft will work?????? the only time somone should go to a square shaft is if they need more spline travel and dont have the money for a long travel drive line. i just love how you completely turn eveything i said around into somthing i didnt say. they are in no way superior to an AFTERMARKET DRIVE LINE

 

[88rockxj]

(Isn't it much easier to read with spelling and grammar corrected?) :wave:

Why would we compare a stock splined shaft to a square shaft? If we are "upgrading", then we need to talk about upgraded slip yokes, correct?

When you look at the data, and talk to the pros building shafts, you will find that a 1310 driveline universal joint fails FAR before a splined slip yoke. Same is true for a 1330. When you step up to a 1350 or 1410 joint, the slip grows accordingly, and is still much stronger than the joint. In fact, my aftermarket 1310 shaft uses the larger 1350 slip!

So what are we achieving with this super-strong square shaft? In essence, nothing, as I can build a round tube shaft out of DOM that balances better, glides over rocks easier, and can be run on the highway.

The failure point from a torsional load standpoint is still the same: the driveline u-joint.

were comparing stock shafts to square shafts becuase somone said a square shaft isnt strong and i corrected them by telling them its stronger then a stock shaft which it is, thats where the root of this came from but you wouldnt notice becuase you like to jump in and bash sh!t becuase of a previous opinion you came to with out reading all the posts




i could of sworn i also said in my VERY first post the shaft was twice as strong BESIDES THE JOINTS


what are we gainging? were gaining shaft strength over stock, were gaining spline travel, and we also dont have to pay as much$$$ as we would for the DOM and the long travel spline and yoke to build it round.

 

[88rockxj]

oh and just to let you know i dont like square shafts and i wont be using one ever besides perhaps as a spare or short term get me by kinda of thing. you guys seriously like to stretch peoples posts and dont read everything before replying.



QUOTE FROM MY VERY FIRST REPLY TO THIS SUBJECT YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY MISSED



"unless you need a long travel drive line , its a trail only rig, and you have no money then go ahead"




then i went as far as telling him how he could build a round shaft , you guys seriously need help

 

[CRASH]

what are we gainging? were gaining shaft strength over stock, were gaining spline travel, and we also dont have to pay as much$$$ as we would for the DOM and the long travel spline and yoke to build it round.

And what are we losing?

 

[CRASH]

you guys seriously need help

Yes, we do.

 

[88rockxj]

And what are we losing?

you are losing your ability to look intelligent, like i said just becuase you dont like square shafts dont mean you have to be narrow minded about them, and plain wrong.

 

[88rockxj]

i think you guys are just pissed xjs came stock with such weak parts like the axles and star bolts

 

[red91]

since the pyramids have been around for thousands of years....it is my contention that a triangular shape is superior to a square shape.

 

[Jes]

i think you guys are just pissed xjs came stock with such weak parts like the axles and star bolts

Wow, that certainly is an ignorant thing to type.

 

[CRASH]

Well, there is right way and a wrong way to do things.

I can think of exactly ZERO applications where a square shaft is superior to a properly built round one. Strength, functionality, longevity are all superior with a properly designed splined shaft. Since I tend to build the best for myself and others, regardless of cost, I'll stick to my splined shaft.

Are you simultaneously arguing for and against a square tube shaft? Do you have any data to back up your arguments? Specifically this:

haha, a .250 thick square drive shaft will be twice as strong as a stock xj shaft

I'm curious, if you think they are so great, why won't you run one?

Oh, and just to let you know, I dont like square shafts, and I won't be using one, besides perhaps as a spare, or short term get-me-by kinda of thing.

 

[CRASH]

you are losing your ability to look intelligent

Well, I have never been accused of looking intellegent.

However, many of my well-heeled friends note that I look handsome, and sound intelligent.

 

[88rockxj]

"I can think of exactly ZERO applications where a square shaft is superior to a properly built round one. Strength, functionality, longevity are all superior with a properly designed splined shaft. Since I tend to build the best for myself and others, regardless of cost, I'll stick to my splined shaft."


i completely agree besides that i may use a square shaft as a spare so i can use it as a spare for the front and rear (not on my xj, on my toy)



"Are you simultaneously arguing for and against a square tube shaft"


actualy yeah i am becuase im openminded and square shafts have thier pros and cons



"Do you have any data to back up your arguments? Specifically this:"


my proof is the lack of a single picture of a broken .250 square shaft , would you like me to show you pictures of a stock thickness shaft being destroyed after the weight of the vehicle is on the shaft itself? i can show you pictures of the weight of the vehicle on a square shaft and it simply laughed and walked sideways.


"I'm curious, if you think they are so great, why won't you run one?"


ive already explained the pros and cons of a square shaft, i will run one as a spare. i stated in my very first post i dont think thier "great" and i explained why somone should ever use one.


if you really wanna have a debate with somone try reading all of thier posts in the same thread when thier about thing youre debating. youll find yourself asking less questions and not being so confused.

 

[88rockxj]

this is my first reply to this thread, maybe it will help





"haha, a .250 thick square drive shaft will be twice as strong as a stock xj shaft (not the joints)

unless you need a long travel drive line , its a trail only rig, and you have no money then go ahead. but one thing i dont understand is why building drive lines is over rated. first drive line i ever built would go to 70 mph with barely the slightest vibration (rear shaft)

the cheapest most effective way to do it(if you can weld and have common fab skills) buy a hack and tap from RE with the flange not the yoke then buy a junk yard toyota shaft and cut off one end then take your stock shaft and cut the axle end off weld it to the yota shaft. use a metal chop saw and take your time setting the pieces up in the chop saw so that you get pefectly lined cuts. i used two lengths of STRAIGHT boards and layed the drive line inbetween them and it self straightened the shaft

blew the u joints in my front shaft, couple birfrields,one cross pin in the carrier, flopped it 3 times all with 38.5 boggers and my rear shaft never blinked once. mind that was on a toyota but ive owned 3 cherokees and the 30 and 35 would let go before i could wheel any where near as a hard as i did in the yota so unless you have 60's i dont see the shaft being a problem"