Saving Fuel with HHO?

go1lum said:
This is not all B.S. I actually have first hand experience building browns gas units. It was a summer internship for my Welding Engineering Degree. I was working with a very smart engineer. He has a masters in electrical and chemical engineering. He worked up in Canada with a crew of people building and testing browns gas welders. I have built these units from scratch. I have watched numerous videos and we have like 2 3" binders full of information that we have researched on the subject. The problem is that we do not know enough about this yet. There are a lot of unknowns and breakthroughs that have not been found yet. We havn't tested any of them on a vechile yet but i can produce hydrogen.
I think people shouldn't jump to the gun so quickly about calling B.S. so quickly. just because something is out of the norm doesn't mean that it is crap. Do you have any personal experience building or operating these units. I honestly believe that there is possibilities and breakthroughs with this system that the world of science has not found yet.
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Yes. I have built electrolysis tanks for producing Hydrogen ( and oxygen) for plating metal and for rust removal. I have no doubt at all that these gizmos(when built and fed correctly) produce Hydrogen and Oxygen. My hang up here is not the chem. Its the energy. Breaking a molecular bond takes AT LEAST as much energy as creating the bond. If you put energy from your engine via the alternator into splitting the molecule, then the absolut best you can get from recombining them (burning H and O together) is what you put in. real world, you can't even get close to getting that back.


On further thought, I think I am giving up on this argument. If people want to believe that this works more power to them. I would love to be persuaded that these work. Anyone with real evidence, please chime in. I'd love to see it.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people
H.L. Mencken
 
It's all about building an efficient enough generator with with only like .005 or so gap between plates, putting no more than 1.25v to each plate and mess around with enough neutral plates THEN your working with something decently. If you have a solar farm you could tap into you'd be the only person I think seeing gains from this. It's something cool to do in your spare time and build something from scratch and see it work. A vehicle is already a terribly inefficient device. Work on other ways to help the parasitic loses or remove the lead foot.
 
advrider said:
Has "Mythbusters" done this one yet? It would be a good one for them!
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The Mythbusters actually suck at testing most myths, but on the other hand, there's no possible way for it to work because basic physics prevents it so they'd inevitably come to the conclusion that it is bogus. It wouldn't change the minds of the true believers though.
 
bigdaddyjlove said:
Rock on brother. got proof?
1/2 speed takeoffs make a huge difference.
make me a believer. take the car to a dyno and run with set throttle openings and measure fuel flow rate.
TANSTAFL
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prrof, I've given examples and you've denied them, I'm not about to 'prove' something to someone over the internet... believe it, or don't, makes no difference to me.
your going off what you believe yo be true and it makes sense which is great, but your assuming you know something about someone you've never met.

I'm going on what someone I've worked with for years told me, and I'll go with what they told me over what someone on the internet feels is true any day of the week.

matters not, there are stories both ways, this one worked in the scenario's as I explained them, believe it or not.
 
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cal said:
But you're wrong.

;)
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thats fine, he got better milege, driving the same way he did before he had it in... what am I supposed to do, lie and say he didn't?
 
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This is garbage, and it doesn't matter if someone has anecdotal "evidence". Ever hear of the placebo effect? You know you have a device that you believe will improve efficiency, so you probably subconsciously drive a little more conservatively.

The only way to actually test the effectiveness of HHO would be a blind test, where the person doing the driving has no idea whether the HHO system is active or not. And you can be sure it won't show any positive result because there's no physical mechanism that would allow it to improve efficiency.

There is also plenty of anecdotal "evidence" that acupuncture works, yet there is no physical mechanism that would cause it to work.
 
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winkosmosis said:
This is garbage, and it doesn't matter if someone has anecdotal "evidence". Ever hear of the placebo effect? You know you have a device that you believe will improve efficiency, so you probably subconsciously drive a little more conservatively.

The only way to actually test the effectiveness of HHO would be a blind test, where the person doing the driving has no idea whether the HHO system is active or not. And you can be sure it won't show any positive result because there's no physical mechanism that would allow it to improve efficiency.

There is also plenty of anecdotal "evidence" that acupuncture works, yet there is no physical mechanism that would cause it to work.
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placebo effect has more to do with a physical effect on the person. I take a pill to make me better, I get better, it was packed flour, I was supposed to feel better so I did... placebo effect.

if someone drives a car and gets 100km on a tank, adds something to it and gets 150km for the next few tanks what are they supposed to do?

anyway, I didn't think it would work, the guy I know removed it as it screwed his long drives up... and it seems my e-cred is really taking a hit on this topic (snif snif) so I'll bow out now.
 
beakie said:
placebo effect has more to do with a physical effect on the person. I take a pill to make me better, I get better, it was packed flour, I was supposed to feel better so I did... placebo effect.

if someone drives a car and gets 100km on a tank, adds something to it and gets 150km for the next few tanks what are they supposed to do?

anyway, I didn't think it would work, the guy I know removed it as it screwed his long drives up... and it seems my e-cred is really taking a hit on this topic (snif snif) so I'll bow out now.
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Knowing that you have an HHO generator to increase your efficiency will almost certainly affect the way someone drives. People aren't robots.

The only test other than a BLIND test that would be believable would be a round trip along a perfectly flat highway without wind, at a constant speed maintained by cruise control, repeated several times with and without the HHO turned on.
 
bigdaddyjlove said:
You only mentioned city mileage. How about highway?
Any non biased evidence other than anecdotal?

I am happy that you are saving gas. If you can prove to a skeptic (not a dirty word) that this works then please do so. I'd love to do something this easy and save fuel.

Please read this.

http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1264904
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I deliver Pizza's with it so it doesn't really see Highway much.

I understand Placebo, but while it was working I could tell the difference.

BUT I had it running to hot, it ended up melting the Plastic lid. Next up... Resistors!
 
bigdaddyjlove said:
Yes. I have built electrolysis tanks for producing Hydrogen ( and oxygen) for plating metal and for rust removal. I have no doubt at all that these gizmos(when built and fed correctly) produce Hydrogen and Oxygen. My hang up here is not the chem. Its the energy. Breaking a molecular bond takes AT LEAST as much energy as creating the bond. If you put energy from your engine via the alternator into splitting the molecule, then the absolut best you can get from recombining them (burning H and O together) is what you put in. real world, you can't even get close to getting that back.


On further thought, I think I am giving up on this argument. If people want to believe that this works more power to them. I would love to be persuaded that these work. Anyone with real evidence, please chime in. I'd love to see it.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people
H.L. Mencken
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exactly, yes you can make hydrogen, no you can't get more energy out of it then you put in.
 
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