Reusing pushrods

Mike1331

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I recently pulled a head from a 93 4.0 and am about to set it on my 87 block. The head was milled slightly just to flatten it out, I'm not sure on the exact amount. I will be using the rocker arms and valves from the 93, will the pushrods from the 87 work with these newer rocker arms, or will the amount milled be the deciding factor?
 
You do not want to use old pushrods,(unless you know exactly witch rocker they were on and which valve,)I could give you a bunch of reasons why not to do it but they are so cheap to replace and for the peace of mind alone replace them with new. Good Luck
 
If it where me I'd change out the valves, springs & rocker arms too (at least gind the valves) ..... why tear it apart twice.

But then that's just me.
 
LOWTECH said:
If it where me I'd change out the valves, springs & rocker arms too (at least gind the valves) ..... why tear it apart twice.

But then that's just me.

I took it to a machine shop who gave it a 5 angle valve job and polished up the combustion chambers, they said the springs and rocker arms were fine.



Thanks for the replies
 
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I forgot to mention the reason I brought this question up to begin with, my machine shop guy said I couild take 1/8" off the head and still use the stock pushrods is this true. His consensus was to use the originals, has anybody had problems with this in the past, or does everybody just replace them regardless in fear of breakage?
 
If this mechanic is worth hisw salt you might have misunderstood him. He might have and should have said, you can use NEW stock pushrods. not the ones you have. You simply dont put reinstall pushrods in holes they were not in to begin with. Good Luck,
 
Thank you, judging from your concern it seems $30 is well worth it. I was just a little concerned with my tired block/lifters and the 181,000 thousand miles they've seen. Hopefully the new rods will mate to the old lifters and 93 rockers without a problem.
 
Oddly enough, getting pushrods back into their original holes isn't as critical as you might think - and definitely not as critical as other components - most particularly lifters.

However, you'll still want to make sure they're straight, and you really want to try to get them back into the same holes. Check straightness with a thick piece of glass that you store flat (I still have one from my own engine-building days - easier to move than a chunk of ground/polished granite!) - but if you don't do a lot of engines, it's easier to just get new ones. They're fairly cheap, and it's good insurance.

Don't throw the old pushrods away, tho. "Black-band" them somehow (marker or heat-shrink, usually, toward one end) and toss them in your toolbox. You'd be amazed how many jobs will go much easier if you have an "alignment pin" to put down the hole first...

5-90
 
Thanx again 5-90 I remember you mentioning somewhere that you were short a head for your book your writting I forgot which year you were looking for but I picked up mine from the pick-n-pull in rancho for $29 with valves, springs and rocker arms. You might want to think about that next time your passing through to a trail on this side of Cali. I'm not sure how much they are out there but that is the cheapest I encountered whilst me shopping excursions. I'm sure you have plenty of renix heads but you can have mine if you need one more.
 
It's not so much that I'm short "a" head, but that I've got "a" head - a 2585 (late 258.)

I'd like to get one (or two) each of 2585, 2586, 7120, 0630, and 0331 heads to section and experiment with. I don't care if they're cracked or warped - since I'm going to start by cleaning them and running them through a bandsaw anyhow - one cylinder in something like 1/2" slices, and the rest split by cylinder for porting experiments if and when.

If you ever head down this way, bring your head with you (or I'll let you know if I head up there - isn't Rocklin up by Sac?) I'm going to Livermore to pick up a batch of stuff to-morrow as well - probably be able to free up a 2686 head from there...

2685 - Late 258
2686 - RENIX 242 (1987-1990)
7120 - First-gen HO 242 head (1991-1995)
0630 - Second-gen HO 242 head (1996-1998/9)
0331 - Third-gen HO 242 head with COP ignition bossts (1999/2000 and up.)

I'm mainly wanting to compare port changes with revisions, as well as deck thickness and the like. I'm just trying to make future editions of the Power Manual as compleat as possible...

Imagine - school full-time, WiP is running fairly well, I'm updating one book, writing two more, and reformatting a fourth. Is it any wonder I gave up sleeping years ago?:wierd:

5-90
 
Mike1331 said:
I recently pulled a head from a 93 4.0 and am about to set it on my 87 block. The head was milled slightly just to flatten it out, I'm not sure on the exact amount. I will be using the rocker arms and valves from the 93, will the pushrods from the 87 work with these newer rocker arms, or will the amount milled be the deciding factor?

Slight milling to straighten a head should not affect the valve train geometry enough to worry about it. Infact, you can easily make up that distance by using a fatter head gasket if you are worried about it; though you shouldn't be. Most heads are trued sacrificing a small amount of metal. Since you are changing years of head, you may want to at least compare lenght between the 83 and 93 pushrods. Using used pushrods is not an issue unless they are not straight (roll them on a flat table, if they go "thump, thump..." then they are not straight), or the ends are gauled. Hydrolic lifters are forgiving within a range. If you want to examine the valve geometry, you will need to take an old lifter apart and make it solid, then take your readings, both intake and exhaust.

Besure to use assembly lube or a bit of gear oil on the pushrod ends, yes both ends, the rockers and the valve stem to "preoil" them. It makes one hell of a squeeking noise if you don't (don't ask how I aquired this knowledge)

If you decide to have the heads fluffed, just go with a basic 3 angle valve job. Make sure when you get the heads back that all the valve stems sit at the same level. Unleaded seats are much tougher than their leaded counterparts and require less maintance.

Ron
 
Zuki-Ron said:
Slight milling to straighten a head should not affect the valve train geometry enough to worry about it. Infact, you can easily make up that distance by using a fatter head gasket if you are worried about it; though you shouldn't be. Most heads are trued sacrificing a small amount of metal. Since you are changing years of head, you may want to at least compare lenght between the 83 and 93 pushrods. Using used pushrods is not an issue unless they are not straight (roll them on a flat table, if they go "thump, thump..." then they are not straight), or the ends are gauled. Hydrolic lifters are forgiving within a range. If you want to examine the valve geometry, you will need to take an old lifter apart and make it solid, then take your readings, both intake and exhaust.

Besure to use assembly lube or a bit of gear oil on the pushrod ends, yes both ends, the rockers and the valve stem to "preoil" them. It makes one hell of a squeeking noise if you don't (don't ask how I aquired this knowledge)

If you decide to have the heads fluffed, just go with a basic 3 angle valve job. Make sure when you get the heads back that all the valve stems sit at the same level. Unleaded seats are much tougher than their leaded counterparts and require less maintance.

Ron

So, how did you acquire that knowledge?:roll:

Just kidding - it's not a good idea to be stingy with assembly lube. My engines would smoke for the first hour or so they were run - due to leftover oil in the cylinders from piston assembly insertion.

As far as the assembly lubricant (and make sure you use engine assembly lube - NOTHING ELSE!) anytime I crack open a bearing, it gets relubed. If I pull the head off, I'll lube the lifter feet (one at a time, so I can't mix them up!) the lifter cups, the pushrod ends, the rocker arm cup, and take an acid brush (checking for loose bristles) and get some lube between the rocker tip and the valve tip.

It's cheap insurance - pretty much anytime you open up the lubrication system, it can't hurt.

You are also correct on the later seats - they're hardened, to allow for the lack of tetraethyl lead (TEL) in modern gasolines. However, there aren't actually "guides" per se in the 4.0 - they're integral to the cylinder head casting. Of course, they seats can be machined to accept hardened steel guides if necessary or requested (and paid for...)

Anyhow - since you've got the head off, get some assembly lube at the local parts house, and get it all over. I'd also put a couple ounces or so in the crankcase before you put in the oil, since it is oil-soluble, and will help give things that "first oiling" when you start the engine - I've found it helpful.

5-90
 
LOWTECH said:
If it where me I'd change out the valves, springs & rocker arms too (at least gind the valves) ..... why tear it apart twice.

But then that's just me.

then you'd have a piece of shit head
 
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