One locker, front or rear first?

JAS said:
I am leaning towards front and rear ARBs along with cutting brakes to get some of that manuverablity back.


You're over-thinking this... If you need more maneuverability on the trail, just flip the switch to turn the locker off... Its really that simple.

To me, adding hydro assist makes much more sense than cutting brakes.
 
vetteboy said:
Well said, Richard...that pretty much sums it up. I heard the same thing from Dustin Webster when they were out here at Rausch Creek for that comp over the summer...he was watching us fool around on the comp course and suggested I try doing some stuff in front-wheel only (rear is a Detroit in mine). I was amazed at how much more agile and sharp the rig felt without having the rear pushing all the time.

On a stock or mild XJ that sees mixed street and trail use, here's how I look at it. Putting it in the front will make the greatest difference offroad, but also makes it more likely to break D30 parts and can be a handful in the snow in 4WD. Putting it in the rear won't help as much, but it's a more traditional street driving experience and if you have a decent (not D35) rear axle it's pretty safe as far as breakage goes.

I did a rear one first when I was running a D30/D44 on 33's. It definitely helped, but the difference when I put a front locker in was huge.

This was the basis of my decision. I knew that the 8.8 could handle it but the D30 with 4.88's is already a weak point without throwing a locker in it.

I'm still tempted though. The rear does help out alot but I find myself in many situations where both rear tires are spinning trying to push the front up over something. I'm tired of having to back up and find new lines.
For now I'm just going to get better tires.
 
[FONT=&quot]If your putting an Auto locker in the front, just go backwards up those dirt climbs, magic you now have a rear auto locker... :jester:

Sorry I could not help my self.

I am looking for a locker to help out on the random trails I go on, but mostly want something that will help in the snow. It seams like a front auto will cause possible steering issues while I have heard that a rear will cause you to fish tail a whole lot more in snow. Being in Utah we get snow for a good part of it and I like knowing that I can drive out in it regardless of how much snow we have.

The front does have the advantage of being "invisible" while in 2wd, which sounds nice. Is there a preference to a locker? It looks like most people like the aussies that have posted on this thread...X[/FONT]
 
Magus2727 said:
[FONT=&quot]If your putting an Auto locker in the front, just go backwards up those dirt climbs, magic you now have a rear auto locker... :jester:

Sorry I could not help my self.

I am looking for a locker to help out on the random trails I go on, but mostly want something that will help in the snow. It seams like a front auto will cause possible steering issues while I have heard that a rear will cause you to fish tail a whole lot more in snow. Being in Utah we get snow for a good part of it and I like knowing that I can drive out in it regardless of how much snow we have.

The front does have the advantage of being "invisible" while in 2wd, which sounds nice. Is there a preference to a locker? It looks like most people like the aussies that have posted on this thread...X[/FONT]

If I were you I'd get an aussie for the front for snow.
I haven't had the privilege to dive in the snow with a rear detroit yet. I know it's going to take some getting use to. Everytime I spin the tires in the dirt that rear end swings out. :D
 
Magus2727 said:
[FONT=&quot]If your putting an Auto locker in the front, just go backwards up those dirt climbs, magic you now have a rear auto locker... :jester:

Sorry I could not help my self.

I am looking for a locker to help out on the random trails I go on, but mostly want something that will help in the snow. It seams like a front auto will cause possible steering issues while I have heard that a rear will cause you to fish tail a whole lot more in snow. Being in Utah we get snow for a good part of it and I like knowing that I can drive out in it regardless of how much snow we have.

The front does have the advantage of being "invisible" while in 2wd, which sounds nice. Is there a preference to a locker? It looks like most people like the aussies that have posted on this thread...X[/FONT]

To be honest I really don't use the 4wd in the snow if I'm going up the pass just down mostly for compression braking capability. I only use the 4wd going up when it was really icey or snowing like a bat outa hell. get the front its not bad in the snow.
 
JAS said:
Is it really a slip or overspin? I am just wanting to make sure that I understand this correctly. I am about to spend 2K+ on lockers and gears and want to make sure of what I am buying and what it will do to my Jeep.

I am leaning towards front and rear ARBs along with cutting brakes to get some of that manuverablity back. After Having a welded rear I think I am OK with this.
with the jeep in the air and in neutral, you can rock a wheel back and forth to get the detroit to unlock, and "free wheel"
the wheel spins freely as fast as you want it to. if you take the other wheel and spin the opposite direction, the driveshaft spins with it as that side is still engaged. if you take the locked wheel (the one engaged to the driveshaft) and reverse its direction, spinning the same direction as the free wheel, when their rotating speeds come close to matching, you can hear the detriot engage and they will match speed. i always do this when my jeep is on the lift.

also, if you get one wheel to unlock, and then spin the driveshaft, the detriot will re-lock both wheels together.

it doesn't equalize the torque to both wheels around a corner like an open diff does. it free wheels one, and drives the other. eaton should have a "testing your detriot" document on their website that describes this with pictures for you.

front and rear ARBs are pimp. if you have the $$$ that is the way to go. the detroit chews up tires
 
tomcat said:
the detroit chews up tires

No it doesn't. You've never had a spool.

I run Aussie front, Detroit rear.

Rear went in first.

Some people have awesome success with ARBs. Some people fail miserably.

I have a locked D30 with 4.88s - oh noes!
 
If you guys are worried about a rear-only locker in the snow, you need to learn how to drive a real RWD vehicle. I've got a 400hp mustang and I've driven it in the snow plenty of times. It has a limited slip so both tires always spin together, whether its on a slippery surface or on a dry road when I'm laying into the throttle. If all you are worried about with a rear-only locker is the tires breaking loose in 2wd, just go drive a rwd sports car for a while.
 
I drive alot in the snow locked up front and rear(lunchbox lockers). It's really no problem, you just need to get used to how it handles, put your purse down and drive.

Cheers!
 
sunburned said:
If you guys are worried about a rear-only locker in the snow, you need to learn how to drive a real RWD vehicle. I've got a 400hp mustang and I've driven it in the snow plenty of times. It has a limited slip so both tires always spin together, whether its on a slippery surface or on a dry road when I'm laying into the throttle. If all you are worried about with a rear-only locker is the tires breaking loose in 2wd, just go drive a rwd sports car for a while.

Let me get this straight, you resurrected a thread that the last post was two weeks ago just so you could insult someone.....not very smart, but okay. You might want to get a fire suit.

Just out of curiosity, I had a stroked and blown Fox body that had 612 hp to the rear tires as a DD. What's your excuse for only 400 hp?

Edit: Okay so maybe there wasn't technically an insult there per se, but pretty risque with a black name to say the least.
 
says the guy that has been here for a month...
 
I'm assuming these decisions are being made on vehicles with NP231 xfer cases. I have an NP242 case and would like to lock the rear but the shop I'm dealing with doesn't recommend it, they say it will handle crappy in the rain. Personally I'd like to lunchbox lock both axles (D30 in the front, D35 in the rear) and just not use the full time setting (use it like it was a 231 case). What's you're opinion on that? My only issue then would be if I sold it, to either take them out or give a warning to the buyer. But I don't plan to sell anyway.

????

Thanks,

Mark
 
My opinion, get a better rear axle before putting a dime into it.
 
I want to put a aussie in my D30. I have the 242 and sometimes i use the full time setting on mountains roads. I've read what everyone said about it being tricky, but is it bad or do you just need to be patient and lift the right foot when your driving?
 
lunchbox in D30, with 242... don't use full time on dry pavement again.
I have that setup, I just never use full time on the road anymore. I never used it before hand either, but have to let others know what they borrow my ride.
 
Here is a thread regarding NP242's and lockers:

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=934586

I gotta agree with Ramsey, Don't put a dime in the Dana 35

Slush, snow, rain, ice, dry pavement, whatever, a lunchbox locker in the front axle will make full-time mode in the NP242 perform miserably. A lunchbox in the rear will make it a bit twitchy but, if the front is open, it will compensate a lot.
 
Ramsey said:
says the guy that has been here for a month...

First off, I don't seem to be the one who resurrected the thread. As far as how long I have been here who the F cares, Ramsey? Do you think I am here to impress you? Nope. Maybe one day I can be as cool as you and have 10,000 posts to my name.
 
Gotta strive for something.
 
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