Obamas lies to get to where he is

[5-90]

???????????? I googled them. All I came up with was that Boehm founded the Navy SEALS. Im not sure that makes him presidential material.

Both men are proven leaders - willing to do whatever needs to be done in the face of opposition, accustomed to hardship, and spending money responsibly.

What is your definition of "Presidential material", just out of curiousity? Considering what I've seen of late (last thirty years or so - since JFK,) I've not seen many men bringing conviction to the Oval Office - save Reagan.

It seems we (as a nation) are more interested in form than function for the job, and we continue to elect "career politicians" who are very much not trying to annoy anyone. Mistake!

Of course, the downfall of the system was when "politician" became a career option. As far as I'm concerned, one should be limited to ten years in office - collectively - maximum, with no retirement option and the pay should be vastly reduced. "Elected service" has largely become a sinecure for people who, in the main, lack skills or talents that are saleable in the private sector, and their only commodity is jawbone. Also a mistake.

If we're going to continue to "elect" our leaders, how about a few changes?

We'll leave the age requirement along (25 for the House, 30 for the Senate, 35 for the President.)

A candidate must demonstrate himself as a stable tradesman before his candidacy. This rules out lawyers, "economists," "political science" degrees (now there's a misnomer!) and all the other rot we've seen in office. Carpenters, plumbers, metalworkers, and the like - and medical doctors, since medicine can be considered a "trade" where something both tangible and useful is given in exchange for money paid - since they're used to actually doing something.) Prior service (Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine Corps/Coast Guard/Merchant Marine) also accepted - career or term.

Any candidate will be limited to ten years in any office at any level, and no retirement. This indicates a willingness to go back to work when they're done.

The candidate will be willing to accept a reduced salary while in office as well. I like the way Vermont handles state electees - a $100 per annum stipend while in office. Hell, they get enough "official" benefits.

While we're about it, no speaking fees during or after their terms. Entirely too many rich politicians out there...

Care to add to the list?

 

[Ecomike]

Not saying that - but labling the budget and calling it "Bush's budget" when its Congress that comes up with it all and votes to approve it....well thats just stupid. Its a collective effort - all I'm trying to do is get people to quit blaming ONE PERSON for everything that is wrong in this country. You and Brady both like to do it and its just plain silly. I just personally think one side is worse than the other. Both sides suck balls. The last time the GOP controlled Congress, their last budget had something like a $137 billion deficit. Still shitty. But I just lean the way of which is less shitty, IMO.

I didn't mention Clinton at all....?

No, but I do like Family Guy.

During Bush's first 6 years in office, with a republican dominated senate and congress, he never once vetoed a single bill or budget busting act of congress! He never once used the veto power to try and reduce the deficit.

 

[Tom R.]

My military pension is my reason for not wanting it. Among many others. I'll also get medical when I retire, which means I'm paying into Medicare/Medicaid whatever it is for no reason!!!

Medicare plays a role with Tricare (when you turn 65). And by the time you retire, who knows what changes will have taken place, especially concerning the cost of Tricare Prime.

 

[scottmcneal]

They all LIE

 

[Ray H]

Both men are proven leaders - willing to do whatever needs to be done in the face of opposition, accustomed to hardship, and spending money responsibly.

What is your definition of "Presidential material", just out of curiousity?

I couldnt really find anything they had done except for the SEAL thing. I dont think that by itself qualifies him. I can take your word for the rest though.
As for "presidential material" I can put up with just about anything but a liar. there are many ways to accomplish making this a better country to live in and I am way under qualified to know what most of them are so I have to trust the president and other elected officials. Honesty is the basis of that trust. I think most all of our presidents have had good intentions and some have had good ideas to go along with them, but the intentions and ideas are overshadowed when they lie. That just kills it for me.
Other things a president should have, proven leadership, willingness to look further in the future than 8 years, ability to fill his administration with honset and intelligent advisors and willingness to actually listen to them.
The problem I have with Obama is I dont trust him. He cant overcome that with me, I just dont trust him.
I trust McCain but im not sure he has the stomach to take criticism for the hard decisions. I think he will take the easy road just to avoid bad press.
This will draw some booos and hisses but the honesty and stomach for unpopular decisions are the reasons I like Bush. his problem was he surrounded himself with idiots for the most part.
Anyway, I dont knwo who i'll vote for, I just know it wont be Obama.

 

[lrainman]

I can see Obama and his fellow DEM's taking away our public lands by the thousands of acres, which in turn means less wheeling area, then there is the whole topic of gun control that really is a scary thought. There is no way that I could vote for a person that I feel will take away my freedom, which he will do!

One question for the OBAMA supporters is this CHANGE, has he ever clarified what the hell that is?

 

[Ray H]

One question for the OBAMA supporters is this CHANGE, has he ever clarified what the hell that is?

Im not an Obama supporter but I will answer. You dont need to worry about this "change" because it wont happen. If he does get elected, He's going to be like a 9th grader on his first day of high school. Wondering the halls, lost, with no friends, he wont know where is next class is or even where his locker is. He will just be figuring things out when he graduates in four years, then he will leave school and not come back.

 

[Trail-Axe]

This will draw some booos and hisses but the honesty and stomach for unpopular decisions are the reasons I like Bush.

No booos or hisses from this old man. History will reveal that president G.W. Bush did a fine job cleaning up after our last president. Now we just need to elect a president that is strong enough to stand up to Iran. Our next war is with them, and it ain't going to be pretty!

 

[Trail-Axe]

Im not an Obama supporter but I will answer. You dont need to worry about this "change" because it wont happen. If he does get elected, He's going to be like a 9th grader on his first day of high school. Wondering the halls, lost, with no friends, he wont know where is next class is or even where his locker is. He will just be figuring things out when he graduates in four years, then he will leave school and not come back.

Lets hope (which rhymes with VOTE) he ends up going home with his tail tucked, and never gets a chance to start.

 

[tbburg]

Our next war is with them, and it ain't going to be pretty!

Oh, I don't know,...

You get that red-orange glow up through the center of your mushroom cloud,.. It could look real nice!

 

[scottmcneal]

No booos or hisses from this old man. History will reveal that president G.W. Bush did a fine job cleaning up after our last president. Now we just need to elect a president that is strong enough to stand up to Iran. Our next war is with them, and it ain't going to be pretty!

I think 2 reallllllllllly BIG bombs will work.... Ok we can level it if you want :cheers:

 

[Ecomike]

And you all wonder why Iran and N. Korea want their own Nukes! All they need to do is run into threads like this to convince themselves the US can not be trusted, and that they are next, once we get finshed with Iraq.

:doh:

 

[Ecomike]

I can see Obama and his fellow DEM's taking away our public lands by the thousands of acres, which in turn means less wheeling area, then there is the whole topic of gun control that really is a scary thought. There is no way that I could vote for a person that I feel will take away my freedom, which he will do!

One question for the OBAMA supporters is this CHANGE, has he ever clarified what the hell that is?

Obama is more likely to add to those public lands, and ensure that they do exist for our use. Last time I checked Obama was not in favor of excessive gun control laws. IIRC he supported the recent Supreme Court decision that threw out the Washington DC gun control law that outlawed personal hand guns in the city.

His detailed plans for change are online at his web site:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

 

[Tom R.]

Yeah, I'm sure both Iran and North Korea are putting a lot of stock in a Non-Tech/Off Topic thread from a Cherokee forum.

 

[fscrig75]

Last time I checked Obama was not in favor of excessive gun control laws. IIRC he supported the recent Supreme Court decision that threw out the Washington DC gun control law that outlawed personal hand guns in the city.

Of course he supports it. Its the law and as a citizen/Senator he has no choice but to support it. But the question is whether he believes in the law. I don't think he has ever said he believes the decision made is the correct or incorrect one.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/29/a_silver_bullet_for_obama/

 

[JNickel101]

And you all wonder why Iran and N. Korea want their own Nukes! All they need to do is run into threads like this to convince themselves the US can not be trusted, and that they are next, once we get finshed with Iraq.

:doh:

If they weren't taunting us, refusing to let UN inspectors in, and just being overall threatening jackasses....we wouldn't be talking like this.

Its not like we're sitting here saying "lets nuke Hungary, they're dumb" or "lets nuke the Congo, wouldn't that be fun to watch".

Us trusted? All they have to do is quit being the bully on the playground....maybe they'd have more friends.

 

[tbburg]

Us trusted? All they have to do is quit being the bully on the playground....maybe they'd have more friends.

Isn't that what everyone says about the US?


Let's face it. Do we really want to be "Friends" with the current N. Korean govt?
Or Iran?
Or Nigeria?
Libya,...

The list goes on and on,..

 

[Mudderoy]

I had to laugh when I saw this topic. A politician lying?!?!?! I mean that's like saying I got wet when I went swimming. Of course they lie, they have to so they can be elected.

I've said this before, holding public office should be like jury duty. If you own a house then you may be selected to hold public office.

Husband "Damn it!"
Wife "What is it honey?!?!"
Husband "I got a President summons!"
Wife "Again? You just did that 4 years ago."
Husband "I'm not going, it's too far, and the parking is expensive."

 

[JNickel101]

Everyone but Canada, UK, Aus....we refer ourselves here as "4 eyes" we only trust each other...

Anyway...No, I'm not saying we should be friends with them - but when France and Russia don't even wanna be your friend - you know you have a problem

 

[tbburg]

I say if France and Russia don't want to be your friends, your on the right track.