no metal hooks

seymouj

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I'm sure there is some obvious answer but why tow straps with no metal hooks? Do the metal hooks slip off or break and come flying through the air or something? Just curious.

TIA
 
If the strap snaps or the attachment point gives you can have a metal hook flying through the air...not a fun thing! You can get a strap that has just nylon hooks (the same at the strap itself), that way if it pops it won't kill anybody.

Sequoia
 
A friend of mine watched someone pulling a vehicle out of a mud bog. With 2 tow straps hooked together with a shackle.

Didn't get it out on the first run. Backed up, and gave it all of the gas. And snapped the strap on the stuck vehicle. The shackle drove the tailgate on the K5 Blazer up to the driver's seat.

Clear enough? :)
 
If the 1st 2 examples were not enough, I tried to pull out a buddy's CJ-7 with my IMPROPERLY mounted hooks. I launched a hook 30' THRU the steel windshield FRAME and into the passengers lap. No injury, but he did visit the woods for a few moments. If you meet me on the trail, and you have poorly mounted hooks, steel hooks on a strap, or using anything but a dowel to tie 2 straps together.......you will recieve a lecture.

Rev
(sorry...did not meen to sound preachy)
 
I shoulda read this thread yesterday. My Uncle calls up saying he needs me to pull his stranded 80 something chevy pickup, my first oppertunity to do so ever. So I show up and he is already holding this nylon rope with metal hooks and somewhere in the back of my mind I am thinking that this isn't good. so I hooked up his short rope with hooks anyway. We get maybe 50 yards along a busy street and I realize he let the rope get slack just moments before I started accelerating again. I hear this thunk behind me and look back to see his chev isn't following anymore. Luckily the rope just frayed apart near his bumper while the metal hook on that end remained secure. after pushing the chev out of traffic, I got out my never used 2"x20' strap with NO metal hooks, I threaded the strap through the loop at one end then ran that end through the other end loop at the attachment point on the Chev then back to a shackle on my XJ as I believe is proper way to do it? though I've seen people just put the loop at the end on a hook or shackle directly without threading it. I then gave him a reminder on riding the brakes a little to keep tension, and standing on them when we need to stop, gave him instructions on how to use the FRS radio I had handed him earlier, and proceeded to do it the right way! Afterward he asked me where I got my strap. hopefully there will be one less un properly equiped individual out there. Good thread.
 
Are we talking about a "D" ring / receiver type here? Blue? Rev Den?
 
Thanks for the clerification question T, It is a D ring I think, the shackle is attached to it via the clevis pin if I know what I'm talking about (sometimes I do), such as came with the Bulletproof MFG rear bumper I'm sport'n.


Used my strap again today! For it's second usage I pulled a yota that was on it's side back up to a wheels on the ground position! (another first for me) Poor guy messed up his cab pretty good when it fell over and neither he nor the guy with him in an overheating XJ had a strap.
 
Rev Den,
What's the dowel connection? Never heard of it. Have used shackles many times in rigging tows, maybe because I always used toe buster shackles and no those purchased at K Mart

Not a tow strap/hook story but have had to duck from plenty of cheap boat cleats coming at me. Need to check re-inforcement on the backside before hooking up the tow but sometimes in the swell or surf it's hook up and go.

Once while towing a 125K ton fishing boat the double braided nylon tow line parted and snapped back on deck nearly taking a young sailors leg off, the other thing and none of the guys could explain it was that little pieces of nylon were floating down like snow flakes.

Tom
 
I need to know here...how do you connect two tow ropes together? I have pulled MANY buggies back from near-death experiences in the dunes. I have found that running as short of a tow rope as i can works best (I run giant paddles and can get the mo I need to get over ridges better this way) But when wheelin' I have found myself with two ropes (straps) needing to be used. I have a large quick link that I use...don't like it too much....seems just as bad as a hook!!
 
To use the dowel (broom stick) you slip the loops together. The dowel goes between the two loops to keep them from getting so tight that you will never get them apart.

As an aside, never EVER tie a knot in the tow strap -- it greatly reduces strength, and after a load, will become permanent.
 
If you must use a metal link to attach two straps together, treat the connection just like a winch cable and hang something like a heavy jacket, a blanket, or something over it at the juncture so if it does let go, the ends won't go flying.

There is a difference between "towing" and "retrieving." In a tow situation, the MOST weight you'll have on your strap/rope/chain is the weight of the towed vehicle -- and you can only have that if you're pulling it up a 90-degree incline.

In a "stuck," the stuck vehicle may be wedged in rocks so the wheels don't want to roll, or it may be mired in deep mud that adds a lot of suction. Thus the weight you pull to start it moving may exceed the weight of the vehicle by a factor of several times. Ever wonder why "tow" ropes are only rated 5,000 or 10,000 pounds, but snatch straps start at 20,000 and go up from there?

A snatch strap has elasticity. That's useful, because as you hit the end of the strap running, the stretch stores up some kinetic energy, and the release of that energy helps (supposedly) to extract the stuck vehicle.

You don't need that stretch for towing. In fact, you don't really even want it if you're towing very far. That's why chains and polypropylene rope (which doesn't stretch) are acceptable for towing but should not be used for extraction.

And that's also why you don't want metal hooks on a snatch strap -- because of the magnitude of the energy stored. If the rope doesn't have any stretch (such as a chain), it can't store kinetic energy and thus if a hook breaks or lets loose, it won't fly very far, it'll just drop to the ground.
 
Another easy failsafe for using a shackle to tie two straps together, is to use the shackle as normal, and tie a length of rope doubled over to the two strap loops. If the shackle gives, the straps will be retained while loosing energy.

Don't believe me?? I've seen it first hand.

And don't be too quick to jump me for saying that this is an excuse for using something heavy to bind two straps. Play this one out in your head..............."Quick!! Help!! John is teetering after a roll down the bank, and my 20' won't reach.." do you reply, "Sorry, I was told never to hook two straps together with a shackle". Sorry, smartass scenario, but you get the idea.

M.
 
It's okay M. We'll just get Lassie to go get him. :)

(The whole Quick! Help! thing made me think of "Timmy's stuck in a well...)
 
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