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Anyone have any more info on running hiems as part of your steering, whether or not it is legal. I haven't been able to get a straight answer from the asbury park guys.
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NJLiftLaws
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I'm a bit surprised Asbury didn't provide a contact for one of the engineers in Trenton that helps author NJAC.
You might give Winslow a call, they provided a contact about a year ago when one of the guys in our group was considering heims.
He contacted all 3 stations and then Trenton concerning his double sheer heim setup. Two of the three stations thought, if well designed there would be no issues. The 3rd station (Morristown) seemed to have difficulty over the phone visualizing heims. So they finally decided they would fail.
To our surprise, Trenton was not aware of any issues with heims. A photo was emailed and again received confirmation his setup was acceptable. However the rig hasn’t actually gone through yet.
If I can get the email and/or phone for Trenton, I'll send you an IM.
jerseyjeep01
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I just talked to Winslow a few days ago and the guy said heims would pass. However, I was just talking to a buddy of mine and he said he thinks that crossover steering that is not factory would fail. He believes you have to maintain factory style steering, in our case the "Y". I'm not sure about this. Can anyone verify that?
Can you pass with lower air pressure in your tires? That might just dip into 30".
jerseyjeep01
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No, they want mfg recommended air pressure in all four tires. And yes I heard they do check.
jerseyjeep01
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How did you guys mount your mud flaps??
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Ok, I just scheduled and they got me in real fast, Wednesday the 14th. I talked with the guy there and he said I may have some trouble with the ramp. My door height is currently at 29 1/2", I'm running 33x10.5 boggers. He says that the narrow tires will cause me to go over weight % on the scales, and that I need to go as wide as possible. Just wondering what numbers others have pulled on the scales and at what height.
vetteboy
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If you're 29.5" to the door on 33's, you're tall as shit. With 39.5s and whatever amount of lift I've got, my door height is around 31". It wouldn't surprise me if you run into scale issues.
On 33's I think I measured somewhere around 24.5"...I had a long ways to go before I even had a hint of a problem. This pic was before fender flares/mud flaps etc.
(bonus points to anyone who knows that location)
The scale is very forgiving, and the NJ rules are actually pretty fair. If you can't pass the tilt test for what it is, then I agree that you need to change your setup. Same with the steering requirements. My only complaint with the NJ rules is that they don't go far enough...like with what I've done with my XJ, it can still be completely safe, but it's outside the scope of what NJ allows for an "XJ" to pass with. And guys like me are such a small minority that it's not even an issue as far as the state is concerned.
On 33's I think I measured somewhere around 24.5"...I had a long ways to go before I even had a hint of a problem. This pic was before fender flares/mud flaps etc.
(bonus points to anyone who knows that location)
The scale is very forgiving, and the NJ rules are actually pretty fair. If you can't pass the tilt test for what it is, then I agree that you need to change your setup. Same with the steering requirements. My only complaint with the NJ rules is that they don't go far enough...like with what I've done with my XJ, it can still be completely safe, but it's outside the scope of what NJ allows for an "XJ" to pass with. And guys like me are such a small minority that it's not even an issue as far as the state is concerned.
jerseyjeep01
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I'm on borrowed 33's at the moment. I have about 7-8" of lift because I want to run 36's.
SeansBlueXJ
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You do know they print the size tire you test with on the sticker and if you get pulled over and no match = ticket.
vetteboy
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Yep.
Trust me...almost no cops know about lift laws. Almost ALL cops know to check the sticker against your equipment, which will be bumper height, door height, and tire size (measured, not labeled).
Changing to a significantly different tire size after inspection changes all of those. You're on your own at that point...the lift papers (that you have to present along with license/registration/etc) are void if any of the measurements are different after inspection, so not only will you get a ticket, but you'll have to get a reinspection.
And I still say that's fair. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to get an XJ through modified height inspection on 36's under the existing state rules. If you can't, you've got more lift than needed.
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Your right vetteboy. I was on 35's at that height and it seemed like I was still rubbing with the bushwacker and huge bump stops. I need to work on my setup. I want to clear 36's with the lowest COG possible.
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I took the test today and got my results.......... FAIL. The tilt test I scored 64.6% of a 62.2% allowed. The truck weighed 3748lbs and the downside was 2421lbs. For my truck to pass it would require 2331lbs on the downside. The instructor recommend 12.5" wide tires with a deep offset to help. Lastly my drag link was too steep, NJ requires 10 degrees max. I'm also going to lower the truck 2" now.
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NJLiftLaws
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Our small group has never heard of this requirement, nor are we aware of anywhere in NJAC where this is stipulated.
What station did you go to and do you recall the name of the inspector(s) that reviewed your rig? We I'd to follow up on this.
Be aware if you increase your track width for stability, you may need to review your existing fender coverage.
We agreed with Vette, while NJ lift laws can be a bit complicated and/or confusing, we believe them to be fair. They also provide improved safety for all.
vetteboy
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If I had to guess, it probably falls under this:
I'd be interested to know the specifics on it though. I wonder if the real reason was "increased more than 10 degrees from stock" or something like that.
jerseyjeep01
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It was at the Winslow facility. The Inspectors name was Ed. Does anyone here know the factory drag link angle?
jerseyjeep01
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OK, here's the scan of the document I received from the inspector. As you can see it says 10 degrees max. I hope he is making a mistake, I don't know of an aftermarket setup that will get me that close.
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Can you post a snapshot of your front end? I'm trying to dig up the contact information for an engineer in Trenton that assists in the formatting the rules that ultimately becomes NJAC. He's helped in past understanding/verifying fringe designes etc.
Disputing an excessive draglink angle is probably going fail. But I'd be curious how others working within the Elevated Chassis Height group would see this.
Vette - I wish Dan was still around for this one.
Disputing an excessive draglink angle is probably going fail. But I'd be curious how others working within the Elevated Chassis Height group would see this.
Vette - I wish Dan was still around for this one.
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