Isuzu Trooper?

[CherBear]

Id be interested in reading that 2nd one.

 

[crimsondragon]

Door switches were made in Mexico for the 97-01 years, just an FYI.

 

[FlexdXJ]

My one overwhelming memory of that generation Trooper was when we started getting them in Ireland

Great now everytime I read one of your posts I will have an irish accent in my head, thus, making them even better! :roflmao:

 

[XJLI]

my buddy had a 92.. thing took everything we threw at it.. even kept running with a hole in the block.

only thing that sucked were the autolocking hubs.. once he replaced em with superwinch manual ones the truck was pretty much trouble free... i'd rock one.. theyre a good beater.

 

[xjtrailrider]

I bought a 90 V-6 brand new. It was a good 4wd but it was otherwise a dog. It had no power(stupid chevy engine)and burned oil like a furnace. I traded it 1991 for a 2 door Exploder Sport which was twice the vehicle that the Isuzu was(which was still only half the vehicle that the XJ is)

It only took one vehicle and one year to turn me away from Isuzu forever.

 

[CherBear]

I bought a 90 V-6 brand new. It was a good 4wd but it was otherwise a dog. It had no power(stupid chevy engine)and burned oil like a furnace. I traded it 1991 for a 2 door Exploder Sport which was twice the vehicle that the Isuzu was(which was still only half the vehicle that the XJ is)

It only took one vehicle and one year to turn me away from Isuzu forever.

So if i follow your math, 2 Isuzu = 1 Exploder, 2 Exploder = 1 XJ. Therefore 4 Isuzu = 1 XJ.

Good thing I passed Algebra

 

[REWSTER]

So if i follow your math, 2 Isuzu = 1 Exploder, 2 Exploder = 1 XJ. Therefore 4 Isuzu = 1 XJ.

Good thing I passed Algebra

what......


this thread makes my head hurt

 

[xjtrailrider]

So if i follow your math, 2 Isuzu = 1 Exploder, 2 Exploder = 1 XJ. Therefore 4 Isuzu = 1 XJ.

Good thing I passed Algebra

:wow: :lecture:

what......


this thread makes my head hurt

:doh:

 

[vt98xj]

The Honda Techs at my old work always complained about the Passports/Troopers, I guess they were really bad to work on and always costly to fix.

 

[casm]

The Honda Techs at my old work always complained about the Passports/Troopers, I guess they were really bad to work on and always costly to fix.

To clarify: the Passport was on the Rodeo platform, not the Trooper platform. The Acura SLX, though, was Trooper-based but there was never a direct Honda equivalent to it that I'm aware of.

 

[Darky]

I bought a 90 V-6 brand new. It was a good 4wd but it was otherwise a dog. It had no power(stupid chevy engine)and burned oil like a furnace. I traded it 1991 for a 2 door Exploder Sport which was twice the vehicle that the Isuzu was(which was still only half the vehicle that the XJ is)

It only took one vehicle and one year to turn me away from Isuzu forever.

Really, you were turned away from the 2.8 forever, sounds like vehicle was ok other than the 2.8...

To clarify: the Passport was on the Rodeo platform, not the Trooper platform. The Acura SLX, though, was Trooper-based but there was never a direct Honda equivalent to it that I'm aware of.

Correct.

 

[xjtrailrider]

Really, you were turned away from the 2.8 forever, sounds like vehicle was ok other than the 2.8...

Yep, thats a crappy engine. If I had gotten one with the Isuzu 4 cylinder I most likely had at least been more satisfied with its dependability. Still no power though.

 

[SanDiegoOverland]

So if i follow your math, 2 Isuzu = 1 Exploder, 2 Exploder = 1 XJ. Therefore 4 Isuzu = 1 XJ.

Good thing I passed Algebra

hahaha....this thread brings the funny.

Here's my experience with the isuzu product:

I had an '86 4cyl that started burning oil like crazy. As in 1-2 quarts every month or so. When we got it checked out, our mechanic also showed us the cracked lower a-arms while it was up on the rack that apparently were the cause of the aweful "creak" that we heard when the suspension cycled.

My dad and I sold it right quick, and I bought a Jeepster commando that just happened to pop up for sale in our neighborhood, and for the next 3-4 years, I rocked that jeep with nary an issue. (Still kick myself for not holding onto it)

Often I paruse CL looking for cheap 4x4's and find lots of troopers, but honestly, I don't see them as having any real advantage over my 1992 that fits my my family, gets 20mpgs, and is very affordable and straightforward to maintain. (Plus, I love the Jeep community that I'm a part of)

 

[Miller88]

My XJ interior panels were built by a US defense contractor ...

 

[Milford Cubicle II]

True - it's as American as its French designers, Japanese or French transmission manufacturers, German and Japanese electrical suppliers, and folks from your-guess-is-as-good-as-mine who screwed it all together in Ohio could make it

Who cares if one of it's designers were French, the profits from their design goes to an AMERICAN company. And what electronics (automotive or otherwise) aren't Japanese? Not to mention the percentage of "Japanese" electronics parts are miniscule compared to the amount of American iron in an XJ. Bottom line, the XJ is very American.

and I suppose you'd buy a Ford over a Honda because of all those American jobs.

Here's a tip, Honda employs a shit ton more people in Ohio than Ford does now.

Here's a tip for you. Only a small percentage of Honda's revenue goes to wages and taxes in the US. The rest of it goes straight back over to Japan.

 

[kastein]

Who cares if one of it's designers were French, the profits from their design goes to an AMERICAN company. And what electronics (automotive or otherwise) aren't Japanese? Not to mention the percentage of "Japanese" electronics parts are miniscule compared to the amount of American iron in an XJ. Bottom line, the XJ is very American.

hmmm.
aisin warner transmissions = made in Japan, shipped here
the 4.0 and the NP231 were produced here afaik

as for what electronics aren't japanese? Go talk to Intel about that. Fabs in Arizona, silicon valley, Hudson MA, design centers in OR, silicon valley, MA, a few other places. They do have fabs overseas but plenty of USA production as well.

You can talk to a few other companies also. I can't think of many off the top of my head but that's because I generally go by a company's reputation, not where they are located. Advanced Circuits (my favorite PCB fab house EVER) is in Colorado, Circuit Board Express is in my hometown of Haverhill MA, and there are plenty of other examples I'm not even remembering.

 

[Darky]

Also, don't forget the large amount of German electronics from Siemens and Bosch. Siemens actually worked for the Nazis. But then so did IBM, making the system they used to track Jews...

Jeep may have been an American company then, but today it's Italian. And when the XJ was designed, it was French. Spent a little time German in between as well. Do you know for certain that the iron came from America? China has a booming metals industry, could've come from China to be shipped here for shaping and assembly.

A lot of our "foreign" automakers employ more Americans than our "domestic" ones these days. Toyota has a few plants. Honda has a few, Nissan builds the Titan and its variants (Frontier, Pathfinder, Xterra, Armada) in Smyrna TN. BMW has plants in Spartanburg SC, Mercedes has one in Tuscaloosa AL. Chevy is starting to move back home, but I'm pretty sure that the quintessentially American Camaro is still built in either Canada or Mexico. Ford has a lot of production in Mexico.

Profits may go overseas with a "foreign" company, but you do realize that only a few people benefit directly from those profits, right? Nowhere near as many benefit from the manufacturing jobs. Hell, a lot of the design work is even being done here. We're getting completely separate models at times that are only sold here. For a while (might still be so), we got a different Honda Accord than the rest of the world. The euro Accord is what the Acura TSX 1st gen was based on, hence why it only came with the 4 cylinder when it's competition was rocking the V6.

 

[Milford Cubicle II]

Profits may go overseas with a "foreign" company, but you do realize that only a few people benefit directly from those profits, right?

:roflmao: That's one of the dumbest thing's I've ever heard :roflmao:

Nowhere near as many benefit from the manufacturing jobs. Hell, a lot of the design work is even being done here. We're getting completely separate models at times that are only sold here. For a while (might still be so), we got a different Honda Accord than the rest of the world. The euro Accord is what the Acura TSX 1st gen was based on, hence why it only came with the 4 cylinder when it's competition was rocking the V6.

Designers? Really? How many American "designers" do you think Honda employs at any given time? Yea, the vast number of "designers" that Honda employs is really gunna turn around the economy and help unemployment numbers

You have a weak at best grasp on economics if you think for a second that a foreign company employing Americans while the profits go straight out of the country is just as good or better for the country than having AMERICAN companies, even if they may not employ as many people, or employ Mexicans.

 

[Darky]

This is the dumbest thing? I thought the last thing you disagreed with was the dumbest thing ever? Either people are getting less and less intelligent by the minute or you have an affinity for the superlative.

This is a global economy today. Ideals regarding foreign vs domestic are outdated.

What's the big bonus of the CEO, COO, CFO, etc getting paid big money in America while the company employs half as many American workers compared to 4 or 5 big wigs getting big money overseas while twice as many Americans are working? Do you think these guys are paying their full share of taxes? Or do you think that so many of them are sending money to Swiss accounts that our government is working with the Swiss trying to convince them to disclose how much of the money held in their banks is from Americans? I'd rather get hired to work in any of the auto factories and get paid myself than sleep easy because some corporate jagoff is sleeping on a pile of money somewhere in America.

Do some quick research and tell me how many Americans are employed by say, Ford Motor Company, Fiat (Chrysler), and GM and compare it to the number of Americans employed by Honda, Nissan, and Toyota. Then explain to me why it's better for the profits to stay in America vs the jobs staying in America. Fat CEO pay doesn't give me a job.

 

[FlexdXJ]

Lets see in Indiana alone, there are 3 Japanese manufacturer plants(maybe more). Honda makes civics about 35 miles from me, Subaru makes Legacy's, outbacks and Tribecas and I think imprezas and that plant also manufactures the Camry. Toyota has a truck plant here in Indiana as well. All of these plants employ 1000 or more people. add that to the numerous other plants that foreign car companies have and thats a HUGE chunk of their employees.