Iron rock offroad long arm upgrade

ibjeepin95 said:
No. If you had half a brain you could figure it out. At 3", your control arm angles aren't bad. What I was saying is that a well set up short arm (upgraded steering, good track bar, shocks set up properly, and control arms with Currie JJ's at each end) is better than that IRO trash. Then again, I'd rather run this setup at any height with drop brackets then this abomination. It would at least give you peace of mind. I mean really, could they not be so damn cheap that they couldn't add another joint on the passenger side lower for the radius arm, ditch the caster adjustment, and use a joint for a bigger bolt? At least you could get an adjustable arm out of it.

Oh, and get off IRO's nut sack. Of course, unless they are paying you to be this much of a fan boy.
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Is it the water? What has you so tattered? Why are you here, again?

EDIT: it's okay, John-boy. It's not the end of the world. Don't throw your phone. Just put it down..
 
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zachandandy said:
Your worst case scenario math?
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read my post. Apparently it went over your head. I'm not surprised...

That wasn't worst case, that was average case. Worst case would be 5250rpm, 4.88s, 6" separation at the UCA, and it would not be pretty, it'd be a lot uglier than the numbers I gave.



zachandandy said:
Remember that the trackbar and even the damn shocks bolt in in a way that fights axle rotation.
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LOL

ARE YOU FOR REAL HERE?

:dunno::dunno::roflmao:

that is how you separate a track bar joint and bend the shit out of your shocks. It has almost no effect on keeping the axle from rotating. As in, I can rotate the damn housing a bit with a 1 foot pipe wrench and one arm if the UCAs aren't attached. That's MAYBE 200 foot pounds applied torque and it'll move far enough to line the UCAs up and stuff the bolts in.

I guess now I understand why you love your IRO setup though, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to suspension design and just proved that without a shadow of a doubt.

zachandandy said:
No I wouldn't rely on them to hold the pinion in place, but some of that torque load is distributed there.
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I should hope not!

zachandandy said:
My wife, and the average person buying this kit are not running full throttle neutral drop bound up assaults on anything. IT IS AN ENTRY LEVEL KIT. If you drive like your mathematical discription, your stock axles and driveshafts will probably break before that 10mm bolt.
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Nope.

First of all - that's not a full throttle anything. 3000rpm is every day driving.

Second - I do drive like that. I've not blown up any driveshafts except by dropping them on rocks and it takes way more than that to blow up axleshafts.
 
ktm racer 419 said:
so easy a golf cart can do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvYVVGFDOFM

That's not the entirety of Thompson hill, and that golfcart cost more than my jeep.
never said the kit doesn't work. just pointed out the faults. Anyone with a couple hundred bucks and a welder can throw together some control arms and make them flex.
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Anybody with a welder can build a quality suspension with much larger parts, but what does that have to do with a bolt on entry level kit? Nobody said it was the best thing ever, or the be all end all kit. If you want an entry level long arm at a very good price that rides very well on the road, works great on mild to moderate trails, and flexes well, there's nothing wrong with this kit. If you want to run the king of the hammers, I'd look in to a whole slew of beefier parts, from frame plating to axle upgrades.
 
I honestly picture this old wrinkly face, smacking lips and spraying spit everywhere while you say the words "IRO trash".

While leaning on your 3" lifted 85 chopped up xj hooptie.

A true mouth breather, Seriously. Why are you even in this thread?
 
I understand your math just fine, but if it were correct, why hasn't that tiny bolt kith zero safety factory not failed behind the 300+lb/ft 4.7 that has been wheeled for the last 3 years? I guess we can see why you are not a suspension engineer? Under your math that bolt should have broken before the spider gear blew up in the rear 44, yet it did not? How could this be oh super wise one? Can you show me the math as to why its still working just fine? Your math says it cannot be, but my experience says that it is? Guess if we are just wheeling in theory, it has a theoretical dana 80 held in by theoretical 7/8" grade 8 bolts, is it theoretically strong enough now?
 
Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about, go put a second set of shocks on your jeep so you don't have to run an upper link at all!
 
zachandandy said:
I understand your math just fine, but if it were correct, why hasn't that tiny bolt kith zero safety factory not failed behind the 300+lb/ft 4.7 that has been wheeled for the last 3 years? I guess we can see why you are not a suspension engineer? Under your math that bolt should have broken before the spider gear blew up in the rear 44, yet it did not? How could this be oh super wise one? Can you show me the math as to why its still working just fine? Your math says it cannot be, but my experience says that it is? Guess if we are just wheeling in theory, it has a theoretical dana 80 held in by theoretical 7/8" grade 8 bolts, is it theoretically strong enough now?
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You can't possibly have a real IRO kit on your V8 powered 4700lb WJ that hasn' killed babies??

Oh wait. You mean IRO and Clayton's are the two main Long arm brands in the WJ/ZJ world? Boy, I bet they all hate life!
 
krawler09 said:
Does anyone have the Iron Rock Offroad critical path long arm upgrade? If so how does it ride and handle on the road. I am looking ito getting this setup but would like to get some feedback before I spend the money on it. thanks in advance.
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This is what this thread is all about folks.This guy asked.Now look at what he did here.Got all these guys who sit at home with no jeep to go out an play bitch slap on each other over this.

Kinda funny now if you ask me.

Oh crap i almost forgot to use that smiley face, screw it.i hope you boneheads do get butthurt.LOL

I say if you have more money than brains i would buy Xbrand or some other high price arm kit or just go with this kit you asked about.
 
NW-ZJ-SCOTT said:
Is it the water? What has you so tattered? Why are you here, again?

EDIT: it's okay, John-boy. It's not the end of the world. Don't throw your phone. Just put it down..
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Now that I think about it, you're right! I'll go order a IRO "3 link" now. I'd much rather run a caster adjuster than adjustable arms. It makes so much sense now!
 
ibjeepin95 said:
Now that I think about it, you're right! I'll go order a IRO "3 link" now. I'd much rather run a caster adjuster than adjustable arms. It makes so much sense now!
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You just.. Jumped right in, without reading 7 pages first... HUH!

Was education even an option in your town, or is it just you?

:dunno:
 
krawler09 said:
Does anyone have the Iron Rock Offroad critical path long arm upgrade? If so how does it ride and handle on the road. I am looking ito getting this setup but would like to get some feedback before I spend the money on it. thanks in advance.
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At what point did he say "for all of you wanna be suspension engineers with no actual experience with this kit, what do you think of it?" Your answer to his first ? Was no, and the second ? Should have been I have no idea how it rides on the road. I doubt he's doing any extreme wheeling if his primary concern is how it rides on the road. And yet I have no idea what I'm talking about? Your math proved that we've broken that bolt at least sixty times over the last 3 years, what does your math say about how it rides on the road? The op didn't ask what you think of the kit, so why are you here? To impress everyone with your math?the shock comment was a joke, I was looking for your explanation of why your math doesn't work in the real world?
 
zachandandy said:
At what point did he say "for all of you wanna be suspension engineers with no actual experience with this kit, what do you think of it?" Your answer to his first ? Was no, and the second ? Should have been I have no idea how it rides on the road. I doubt he's doing any extreme wheeling if his primary concern is how it rides on the road. And yet I have no idea what I'm talking about? Your math proved that we've broken that bolt at least sixty times over the last 3 years, what does your math say about how it rides on the road? The op didn't ask what you think of the kit, so why are you here? To impress everyone with your math?the shock comment was a joke, I was looking for your explanation of why your math doesn't work in the real world?
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heres the first few posts in this thread. It appears the original poster was curious about the uca caster adjustment system as well.

Now can we just let this thread die? Nobody is gaining anything from it. Original poster should just do some searching (like what was recommended in the first reply)

krawler09 said:
Does anyone have the Iron Rock Offroad critical path long arm upgrade? If so how does it ride and handle on the road. I am looking ito getting this setup but would like to get some feedback before I spend the money on it. thanks in advance.
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ROBZ95Xj said:
search, and do you really trust the whole frt axle from rotating by 1 10mm bolt and a shitty caster thingy?
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krawler09 said:
Your right I was a little leery of the caster thing when I seen it thats why Im askin
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ktm racer 419 said:
It has been an issue for some people. I will never run it, for more than just that reason.

and lets just leave it at that, theres gotta be a dozen threads like this.
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krawler09 said:
Does anyone have the Iron Rock Offroad critical path long arm upgrade? If so how does it ride and handle on the road. I am looking ito getting this setup but would like to get some feedback before I spend the money on it. thanks in advance.
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I have it
I posted pics
I love it
I'm a fan boy
I have there trackbar and I'm going to get there steering.
My buddy has there steering t bar and longarm and loves it

I've rocked mine for years, good road manners.
 
I have absolutely no info on this other that ive broken a ten mill bolt had to replace it on the trail. endedup having to file the hole out to 5/8 from ten mill to fit the new joint/bolt.

Ive never even seen their kit. I just thought I would clog up this thread with even more useless posts
 
Ok... So kastein posted something about a 240ft lb and 3000 rpm neutral drop to snap that upper mount... I have a renix with 255,000 miles on it, I would be happy to see 200 ft lbs ;) also if I can't crawl it or can't bump it over the rock, ill take a strap, I'm not out to try and break stuff, so being a sensible driver I think the IRO kit will work perfect for me, 6 pages of posts has really helped me decide to get their upgrade kit for my 4" lift ;) thanks everyone!!

I used smilies for you SCOTT, I didnt want to offend anyone :gee:
 
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