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[kastein]

Nice.

But why the hell does a truck need WiFi?

 

[XJosh95]

Why do phones need internet? What makes the sky blue? What makes the posi trac in a Plymouth work? It just does. But in all seriousness, Ford and Dodge also have Wi-Fi now too, so it's probably got a lot to do with "keeping up with the Jones'". But, I can see how it can be useful. Especially for people who travel a lot and wouldn't mind having internet connectivity without going to McDonalds.

 

[kastein]

Why do phones need internet?

So I can figure out what the hell is wrong with my jeep while not at home.

What makes the sky blue?

Rayleigh scattering

What makes the posi trac in a Plymouth work?

Presumably not the same thing as what makes the trac-lok in a d35 "work".

But in all seriousness, Ford and Dodge also have Wi-Fi now too, so it's probably got a lot to do with "keeping up with the Jones'". But, I can see how it can be useful. Especially for people who travel a lot and wouldn't mind having internet connectivity without going to McDonalds.

Fair enough. I didn't realize it had some way of connecting to the internet-at-large, just a wifi hub so your laptop could talk to your other laptop. Seemed pretty useless.

 

[XJosh95]

IIRC, the Wi-Fi works with the Nav sats? I dunno. But it sounds like a good setup.

 

[REWSTER]

Now, it does have the diesel exhaust fluid thing. It helps reduce NOx to nearly nothing assisted with UREA which is 2/3 pure water and 1/3 chemical. It does have to be replenished at a regular interval that closely matches up with oil change intervals. The added cost of the UREA can be figured in at about 3 cents per gallon of fuel, but with the added fuel economy, it's pretty well a wash.

What is with this crap anyway the new 6.7 fords use it, i didn't pay much attention in my class about it, just cant wait to try and explain it to a customer

 

[HaleYes]

Had the walk around from our GM training rep this morning. For you guys out there reppin Chevys...good news is afoot. A lot of you have already heard of their 397 hp and 765 tq which are both more than Ford or Dodge...but, the real good news is yet to come. How about a fully boxed frame?! 36 gallon fuel tank, improved fuel mileage, bumper pull towing capacity of 17,000#, 5th wheel capacity of 21,700#, max payload of 6,635#, stronger front axle to allow for a snow plow package on ALL 4WD models with a front GAWC of 6,000#, standard exhaust brake with all diesel models, trailer sway control capable of integrating a trailer brake controller, hill start assist that will hold the brakes for about another second after letting off while on a 5* or greater incline, Wi-Fi good enough to host at least 20 connections at a distance of up to 150 ft...Now, it does have the diesel exhaust fluid thing. It helps reduce NOx to nearly nothing assisted with UREA which is 2/3 pure water and 1/3 chemical. It does have to be replenished at a regular interval that closely matches up with oil change intervals. The added cost of the UREA can be figured in at about 3 cents per gallon of fuel, but with the added fuel economy, it's pretty well a wash. Also it has wider leaf springs and larger brakes. The brakes are the same size as Dodges but with a larger contact surface with the pads. So, if you're considering a new diesel HD pickup...Chevy has surpassed the competition in many, many aspects.

....and it can be yours for the low, low price of way more than I paid for my home!

 

[kastein]

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/0...reviews-nox-reduction-solutions-for-2010.html

Important part:

The third, and newest, approach is selective catalytic reduction using DEF. The urea-based solution (32.5 percent industrial urea and 67.5 percent deionized water) is held in a separate storage tank and injected as a fine mist into the hot exhaust gases. The heat turns the urea into ammonia that - when combined with a special catalytic converter - breaks down the NOx into harmless nitrogen gas and water vapor.

 

[HaleYes]

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/0...reviews-nox-reduction-solutions-for-2010.html

Important part:

So where does the average joe get DI water and Urea?They'll probably sell it and mark it up astronomically high. Enough so that it'll negate the better fuel economy.

 

[FlexdXJ]

What makes the posi trac in a Plymouth work? It just does.

Hahahahahahahaa! Thats greats. Thats why dad named you Joe Dirt instead of Nunamaker. :worship:

 

[XJosh95]

So where does the average joe get DI water and Urea?They'll probably sell it and mark it up astronomically high. Enough so that it'll negate the better fuel economy.

Well, your dealer will have it. At a markup price, I'm sure. But, the rep had told us he was checking discount auto parts stores regularly and they all look at him like he's pulling their chain when he asks for Diesel Exhaust Fluid. But, I'm sure it will be popping up on shelves soon enough. And with the GM system, it will give you a message on the DIC telling you when you need to replenish the system and if the fluid is up to par as far as quality goes. It tells you at 1000 miles that you should fill it, at 45 miles it will keep your truck at or below 55 mph. If you continue to ignore it, it will keep your truck at or below 4 mph after your next fuel refill. So, yeah...its pretty integral.

 

[GoSlowGetStuck]

What's funny is that compared to how much everyone hates DPF, most diesel owners will find having to refill their DEF periodically not all that bad by comparison...

Now if you want my urea, just ship me an empty cup and a self-addressed, stamped envelope and I'll fill it up and send it back.

Sounds like a pretty decent truck, of course the big 3 are all so good about keeping up with each other any more. 397hp/765tq is technically more than Ford (390hp/755tq), but at that point they are so conspicuously close to each other that it's a wash. I do think that Chevy is probably close to the power limit with the Duramax and they'll be looking at a different motor in the next few years. Ford is making the same amount of power with a first year design, if things go well I can see them really cranking it up. Either way it sounds like Chevy got some pretty killer features into what I would have expected to be a minor model change.

Standard exhaust brake on all models = bad ass. I can't even find an aftermarket brake for my truck since it's an automatic...

 

[XJosh95]

So where does the average joe get DI water and Urea?They'll probably sell it and mark it up astronomically high. Enough so that it'll negate the better fuel economy.

The added cost of the UREA can be figured in at about 3 cents per gallon of fuel, but with the added fuel economy, it's pretty well a wash.

....and it can be yours for the low, low price of way more than I paid for my home!

And the cost of the vehicle only went up by $500 over the 2010 model. If your house has wheels under it, that would make sense.

 

[XJosh95]

What's funny is that compared to how much everyone hates DPF, most diesel owners will find having to refill their DEF periodically not all that bad by comparison...

Now if you want my urea, just ship me an empty cup and a self-addressed, stamped envelope and I'll fill it up and send it back.

Sounds like a pretty decent truck, of course the big 3 are all so good about keeping up with each other any more. 397hp/765tq is technically more than Ford (390hp/755tq), but at that point they are so conspicuously close to each other that it's a wash. I do think that Chevy is probably close to the power limit with the Duramax and they'll be looking at a different motor in the next few years. Ford is making the same amount of power with a first year design, if things go well I can see them really cranking it up. Either way it sounds like Chevy got some pretty killer features into what I would have expected to be a minor model change.

Standard exhaust brake on all models = bad ass. I can't even find an aftermarket brake for my truck since it's an automatic...

The new DirtyMax still has DPF. But with this new system it lengthens the time between burns by about 75%.

 

[REWSTER]

Now if you want my urea, just ship me an empty cup and a self-addressed, stamped envelope and I'll fill it up and send it back.

we can almost guarantee that people will be pissing in the tanks :shhh:


Just looked and we have it for about 10 bucks a gal or a 2 gal jug with a fill tube for 20 bucks

i think i remember the ford tank holding just under or over 2 gal

 

[XJosh95]

6.6 DEF tank holds 5.2 gal.
Also, Ford was brilliant enough to put the UREA fill neck right next to the fuel fill neck. GM's pickups have them under the hood. However, they didn't learn from Ford and do the same on the cutaway chassis.

 

[kastein]

What's funny is that compared to how much everyone hates DPF, most diesel owners will find having to refill their DEF periodically not all that bad by comparison...

Now if you want my urea, just ship me an empty cup and a self-addressed, stamped envelope and I'll fill it up and send it back.

Sounds like a pretty decent truck, of course the big 3 are all so good about keeping up with each other any more. 397hp/765tq is technically more than Ford (390hp/755tq), but at that point they are so conspicuously close to each other that it's a wash. I do think that Chevy is probably close to the power limit with the Duramax and they'll be looking at a different motor in the next few years. Ford is making the same amount of power with a first year design, if things go well I can see them really cranking it up. Either way it sounds like Chevy got some pretty killer features into what I would have expected to be a minor model change.

Standard exhaust brake on all models = bad ass. I can't even find an aftermarket brake for my truck since it's an automatic...

DPF reduces performance somewhat, like early cats did, right? Spraying a bit of urea+water into the exhaust pipe isn't gonna cut down performance, so people won't hate it as much IMO.

we can almost guarantee that people will be pissing in the tanks :shhh:


Just looked and we have it for about 10 bucks a gal or a 2 gal jug with a fill tube for 20 bucks

i think i remember the ford tank holding just under or over 2 gal

And then coming in going "hey my DEF quality light is on... is it sayin' I should drink better beer?"

6.6 DEF tank holds 5.2 gal.
Also, Ford was brilliant enough to put the UREA fill neck right next to the fuel fill neck. GM's pickups have them under the hood. However, they didn't learn from Ford and do the same on the cutaway chassis.

Can't wait to see what happens when you try to burn DEF, or conversely, spray diesel into the exhaust.

 

[REWSTER]

6.6 DEF tank holds 5.2 gal.
Also, Ford was brilliant enough to put the UREA fill neck right next to the fuel fill neck. GM's pickups have them under the hood. However, they didn't learn from Ford and do the same on the cutaway chassis.

I Didnt know that..........this should be fun

some people dont know there arse from a hold in the ground how they gonna figure out that one is for piss water and one is for fuel

 

[XJosh95]

I'm still baffled how some people still manage to put gas in a diesel. Sure, you can't put diesel in a gasser since the diesel pump won't fit in the gas fill neck, but how and the hell do you not know you're driving a diesel and fawk up by putting gas in. And one more thing about the new 6.6: It is now B20 compatable.

 

[shortxjdoug]

\] or conversely, spray diesel into the exhaust.

i see this as being a far more interesting thing to watch

 

[kastein]

i see this as being a far more interesting thing to watch

likewise but I am still amused by an occasional hydrolock, and if one of the "duhhhhhh push pedal make go fastar" sorts tries to run the engine on DEF, I see that happening pretty quick!