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It is hardly legal to own a gun in Illinois at all. Illinois is the only state with no carry permit!
 
Is there any legal aspects to worry about in the instance you actually use them for defense?

And why not just use slugs? Maybe I'm missing the point.

Yes huge legal red flag if you use homemade or modified rounds...... Lawyer will paint the picture that "you loaded round x to increase damage" etc etc. Opens you up to civil and criminal penalties if they make that case......I only carry loads with FBI test data, remington golden sabre or the hornady critical duty and defense. If its good enough for the FBI an attorney can't use it against you, and millions of dollars of ballistic testing research are already done for you.

A lot of the non duty loads are the same catridge as a "duty" load, just less power because it doesn't have to pass all the obstacle tests (glass plywood etc) that an FBI load has to pass


Slugs are a no no in the house......pheasant load in my 20, enough oz. For damage but weak drywall penetration

Short"planning ahead"xjdoug
 
Is it legal to open carry in Chicago? The guy running the parking lot just down from the sox stadium had a pistol on his side.

He is either an undercover or about to get arrested!

As for carry ammo, I carry Hornady critical defense. I think it will work if I ever need it!
 
Is there any legal aspects to worry about in the instance you actually use them for defense?

And why not just use slugs? Maybe I'm missing the point.

slugs and other "personal defense" rounds are terribly expensive.

range time with cheap walmart shotshells that mimic expensive slugs would be pretty sweet.
 
slugs and other "personal defense" rounds are terribly expensive.

range time with cheap walmart shotshells that mimic expensive slugs would be pretty sweet.

Thats the idea behind wax slugs.
 
So, is a .046 plug gap ok? :D I know what I'm doing tomorrow.....
 
Saiga 12!!!

Id take an AA-12 Over a Saiga any day .

FPS Russia did a Video with it and could hold it full auto one handed..

He tried it with the Saiga and it didn't work well.

BTW If you guys havent seen that guys Youtube videos Theyre Awesome
 
are you talking bout an XJ or the new to you Neon?

The Jeep, both call for .035. The neon has some ultra mega super laser platinum something or others in it. I'll be changing those soon too.

Just cut the electrode off it will make it faster......
You sir are a Genius!
 
Id take an AA-12 Over a Saiga any day .

FPS Russia did a Video with it and could hold it full auto one handed..

He tried it with the Saiga and it didn't work well.

BTW If you guys havent seen that guys Youtube videos Theyre Awesome


I still dont know how to embed...

N8IGDIujijQ is what you need between the
 
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Southern XJ DD?

Well I'm not allowed to be more than an hour from home right now...so we shall see.

Michigan Monte SS DS?
:D

I will never buy another vehicle from michigan...


I was happy to sell it in four days. I got $8k for it...we owed $7865...

She bought it 4.5 years ago and was 9k upside down in it...glad to be free and clear!

Its odd, outside of my company car we have the popcan and the f350...kind of quiet around here.

So now I'm hunting for some type of suv...rust free...and cheap...

mac 'if I wasn't looking I'd have 5 deals fall in my lap' gyvr
 
Id take an AA-12 Over a Saiga any day .

FPS Russia did a Video with it and could hold it full auto one handed..

He tried it with the Saiga and it didn't work well.

BTW If you guys havent seen that guys Youtube videos Theyre Awesome

The AA is badass but looks real goofy
 
slugs and other "personal defense" rounds are terribly expensive.

range time with cheap walmart shotshells that mimic expensive slugs would be pretty sweet.
I suppose it is efficient for practice and funzies.

I carry win ranger rounds. It's LE only (at least in Ohio) but does work.

Nate let me know when and I'll come to Justin's and shoot!
I have Win Rangers and CorBon for my .40. Haven't used many yet. Got the idea of how they shoot at the range and left it at that. Praying to continue not using them.
I only carry loads with FBI test data, remington golden sabre or the hornady critical duty and defense. If its good enough for the FBI an attorney can't use it against you, and millions of dollars of ballistic testing research are already done for you.

Short"planning ahead"xjdoug
I use the Hornady Critical Defense in my .380. They don't pass the FBI tests because of penetration, but a .380 never will.
I still dont know how to embed...
you do the youtube in the [] box, then all the gibberish in the link after the = symbol, followed by the [/yt] box with the full word youtube after the slash. I had to break it down in this manner so it wouldn't show the empty white box.
 
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So now I'm hunting for some type of suv...rust free...and cheap...

mac 'if I wasn't looking I'd have 5 deals fall in my lap' gyvr

Just call when you want a rust free southern vehicle delivered.....

Josh knows ill drive 550 miles for a steak and a few beers

Short"road trip"xjdoug
 
Bears lost, it was a good night. Can't wait until I go get stuff from a grocery store where a annoying Bears fan told me how good the Bears were after beating the rebuilding Colts team. Knowing him, he will say something like, "I don't want to hear it". You give it, you take it.
 
Bought my 45 yesterday, I like but a bit heavy to carry 9+ hours a day Now if I could get Rev to come off a couple of his toys, I'd be a happy camper.
 
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