If you believe what AZ is doing is right,

[Original_MudButt]

You can sign a petition saying so here:

http://janbrewer.com/

 

[joe_peters]

Signed.

Here in Oregon we are trying to get this accomplished with the initiative process.

I-5 is a major smuggling corridor for illegals and drugs for WA state.

 

[Darky]

How could it be wrong? All they've said is that being illegal is illegal. :dunno:

 

[joe_peters]

How could it be wrong? All they've said is that being illegal is illegal. :dunno:

You have to look at it through the prism of the Progressive Socialist mind. Same thing as "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Makes perfect sense to them. :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1 :confused1

 

[MoparManiac]

This might be a dumb question but...how does one prove they're legal? Not saying I don't agree with it.

Wouldn't you need an original copy of your birth certificate?

 

[Boatwrench]

Something needs to be done. I see the potential for problems with the enforcement of this state law that could lead to it being ruled unconstitutional.

Riddle me this joker...are LEOs only checking citizenship and immigration status AFTER an arrest? If that is the case I have no problem with it. Shake downs on the street I do.

This is not a racisim issue yet, could easily become one though and in AZ was directly targeted against illegal aliens crossing the southern border. Here in SF Bay Area the problem is more than hispanics at Home Depot, there is also a large illegal Irish population, Chinese, Filipino, Indian and other groups. A wife of a guy I work with was deported back to Australia for over staying her student visa by years this past December.

 

[Jeepman401]

This might be a dumb question but...how does one prove they're legal? Not saying I don't agree with it.

Wouldn't you need an original copy of your birth certificate?

I guess if thats the case, the president cant go to AZ

 

[joe_peters]

I guess if thats the case, the president cant go to AZ

ZING! :cheers:

 

[scottmcneal]

I guess if thats the case, the president cant go to AZ

:cheers:

 

[xcm]

liberal reporting; XXXX em. do your thang arizona.

you birthers are still retarded though =\

 

[tbburg]

Riddle me this joker...are LEOs only checking citizenship and immigration status AFTER an arrest? If that is the case I have no problem with it. Shake downs on the street I do.

In theory, the way the law is intended, if a LEO has a legitimate reason to stop you(traffic violation, suspicious behavior, etc) then further has "probable cause" to suspect you may be a non-citizen(undefined in the law, 'not sure what it means), they can then ask for proof of citizenship/legal residency. Apparently, at that point, they can hold you for proof.

 

[stewie]

signed. Gov Brewer has my vote in the next election- constitutional carry, "guns in cars" (firearms secured in locked parked vehicles even at work), immigration...

 

[joe_peters]

Something needs to be done. I see the potential for problems with the enforcement of this state law that could lead to it being ruled unconstitutional.

Riddle me this joker...are LEOs only checking citizenship and immigration status AFTER an arrest? If that is the case I have no problem with it. Shake downs on the street I do.

This is not a racisim issue yet, could easily become one though and in AZ was directly targeted against illegal aliens crossing the southern border. Here in SF Bay Area the problem is more than hispanics at Home Depot, there is also a large illegal Irish population, Chinese, Filipino, Indian and other groups. A wife of a guy I work with was deported back to Australia for over staying her student visa by years this past December.

Not AFTER an arrest. However, there must be a reason for CONTACT with the individual--a traffic infraction, drunk in public, domestic disturbance--what it means is there is NO crime of "Breathing Air--Hispanic".

The LEO has to already be in contact with the person, and then have a reasonable suspicion that they might be illegal--no drivers license or ID, or a phony drivers license or ID, or documents that are obviously stolen. FEDERAL law requires that LEGAL aliens here carry their ID at ALL times.

You have the initiative process in CA--why don't you pass the same law?

 

[Gonepostal]

Signed and thanks for posting the link.

If the liberal dorks boycott the state it will be one more reason to visit ARIZONA.

 

[whammy]

i live down here on the mexico border. until you see it you will understand it, not this stuff that you see on fox,cnn, msnbc or whoever. A guy i knew in the ranch community was shot earlier this month he didnt even pull a gun, it was in the glove compartment in his ranger. You hear all these news stations saying well its racial profiling or its discrimination. It cant be, a cop isnt going to sit on a corner on the southside and say omg a hispanic then flip the lights on and punches it just because hes a hispanic and he wants them deported. For one he would be fired for racial profiling and for two the person he pulls over must be doing something wrong for a cop to actually have a reason to stop him. The main way a cop can ask for citizenship papers is if the person cant speak english and they have arizona plates. Its not racial profiling its actually extending border patrols job to the state's police departments since border patrol cant go any further than tucson. If its further than tucson I.C.E handles it.

 

[5-90]

I guess if thats the case, the president cant go to AZ

I see what you did there...

The only real complaints I have:

1) If the Feds would do their job, it wouldn't have to be taken up by the States.

2) The race card is heavily overplayed - illegal immigration is not RPT NOT a race issue. Yeah, the largest portion of illegals happen to be Latino - but, as mentioned, far from all of the illegals are Latino.

 

[kdailey4315]

This might be a dumb question but...how does one prove they're legal? Not saying I don't agree with it.

Wouldn't you need an original copy of your birth certificate?

According to Federal Law if you are a legal alien here you must carry your papers on you at all times and be subject to show them to any peace officer asking to see them. If you are a citizen any state/federal issued ID will do. OF course this opens pandoras box of fake ID's but Ive seen some pretty horrid ID's from illegal aliens before.

 

[Matthew Currie]

This might be a dumb question but...how does one prove they're legal? Not saying I don't agree with it.

Wouldn't you need an original copy of your birth certificate?

From my reading, it would be the ordinary documents, such as a driver's license in the case of a citizen, immigration papers in the case of a non citizen.

But if you believe the law simply empowers police to ask for papers when they're stopping you for something else, you'd better double check, because I don't think this law would be very controversial if that were all it did.

Taking care not to quote the demon liberal press, I append here a snippet from Fox:

The law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It also requires local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants; allows lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws; and makes it illegal to hire illegal immigrants for day labor or knowingly transport them.

Now much of that is reasonable enough and ought to be standard anywhere, I think. But it appears that the real fear here is that because illegal immigration is itself a crime (now under state law), and since the law also makes it a misdemeanor for an immigrant not to be carrying immigration papers at all times, suspicion of that crime by itself is sufficient cause to accost a person and demand proof of status. If that is actually how it goes down, then the potential for abuse is there. One of the obvious gray areas is the fact that as far as I know, there's no law anywhere that requires citizens to carry papers, but anyone can (and in fact, according to the new law, must) be stopped if they look to any police officer as if they might be illegal immigrants.

Whether this actually happens, of course, is another matter. There's a lot of hoopla about the possibility of kids being arrested on their way to school, and so forth, and the possibility is theoretically there. But I suspect that if the law survives at all, police are going to be treading very carefully, and the whole thing could end up being a big noise over very little.

 

[Boatwrench]

You have the initiative process in CA--why don't you pass the same law?

It may happen. There has been some backlash against the protestors already.

 

[5-90]

According to Federal Law if you are a legal alien here you must carry your papers on you at all times and be subject to show them to any peace officer asking to see them. If you are a citizen any state/federal issued ID will do. OF course this opens pandoras box of fake ID's but Ive seen some pretty horrid ID's from illegal aliens before.

You mean like the one below?