I motion

[BRIANHO13]

If I may...

Perhaps we should better publicize the MWXJ site, and give it a chance, before making a decision?

Rev

This is rediculous, the motion has been seconded and reseconded. Having to go to yet another website to find group rides is retarded.

All that happens on that other website, that not enough people know about, is the organized trail runs get scheduled outside the center of the chapter. I have heard, but haven't looked for myself, That CF is going to be in northern Wisconsin.....WTF lets make the members spend hundreds to get there, I am lucky enough to tow my shit so its a little eisier, but lets keep in mind those DD's.

All I want I place to post trail runs, that I am organizing, that people will actually see (easliy) so i can meet some of my Midwest bretheren (that are actually interested in wheeling).

Hell maybe this chapter has just gotten tooo damn big.

 

[jeeplas]

This is rediculous, the motion has been seconded and reseconded. Having to go to yet another website to find group rides is retarded.

All that happens on that other website, that not enough people know about, is the organized trail runs get scheduled outside the center of the chapter. I have heard, but haven't looked for myself, That CF is going to be in northern Wisconsin.....WTF lets make the members spend hundreds to get there, I am lucky enough to tow my shit so its a little eisier, but lets keep in mind those DD's.

All I want I place to post trail runs, that I am organizing, that people will actually see (easliy) so i can meet some of my Midwest bretheren (that are actually interested in wheeling).

Hell maybe this chapter has just gotten tooo damn big.

We towed our stuff 6 -7 hours for WF to make it easier for people like you. Can we have a turn to have an event closer to us now?

 

[BRIANHO13]

We towed our stuff 6 -7 hours for WF to make it easier for people like you. Can we have a turn to have an event closer to us now?

I am not bitching at 6-7 hours Look at a map I was right there with you.

 

[jeeplas]

We have never ever had a run in WI. I guess you will just have to make to the ones that are closer to you. If CF was in Kentucky we would not go this year. I am sure there will be a run fairly close to your house within the next year or so.

 

[Rev Den]

This is rediculous, the motion has been seconded and reseconded.

Yup.

It is now up to the MWC BOD and the National BOD.

Rev

 

[Rev Den]

All I want I place to post trail runs, that I am organizing, that people will actually see (easliy) so i can meet some of my Midwest bretheren (that are actually interested in wheeling).

Hell maybe this chapter has just gotten tooo damn big.

This chapter is HUGE, there is no one place that is convient for everyone.

Your runs are getting seen, the number of responses to your posts show that, not sure how they would get seen more in a subforum.

After all, when you get down to it, that is all this is about, another subforum.

Rev

 

[kunaji]

WTF lets make the members spend hundreds to get there, I am lucky enough to tow my shit so its a little eisier, but lets keep in mind those DD's.

Hell maybe this chapter has just gotten tooo damn big.

I went to WF with my DD and didn't have a problem with the drive there or the drive home with a bent xmember. It's up to each person whether they are willing to accept breakage when they go on the trails. If you aren't willing to accept the risk, find an open seat.

MWC is geographically a large area. From the Western border to the Eastern border is nearly half of the width of the US. From the Northern border to the Southern border is nearly 3/4's of the country. It's going to be hard to pick a place for an event that everyone will be able/willing to go to. Our BOD is in Illinois and I'd imagine it would be hard to have an event without them so we're probably at the mercy of how far they are willing to travel for where events are held. To me that does seem to be a very large area to try and have people come to events from. That probably won't change anytime soon either. I also doubt I would want to drive 16 hours one way very often for an event.

I also don't think I should have to check two websites to find out if there is a run being made near me. OTOH if someone is planning a run around me I've been getting PM's saying there's a run and asking if I want to go.

 

[Ramsey]

If you must have a subforum and still want to use mwxj as the planning, as someone said earlier, why not just have a dummy trailrun subforum that links to mwxj's trailrun section.

 

[HaleYes]

All I want I place to post trail runs, that I am organizing, that people will actually see (easliy) so i can meet some of my Midwest bretheren (that are actually interested in wheeling).

You have that place. It's MWC forum. Like has already been mentioned, it's obvious that it's seen by the number of replies in those threads. How much easier can it get? If you want large turnouts to your runs.....Maybe post up on JU and JF, you'll get alot of responses there I'm sure. :laugh3:

I thought most everyone here is interested in wheeling. Just because some of us don't make every run, does not imply we aren't interested in wheeling. I've got kids, kids come first. I don't have the luxury of telling wyfe to take care of the kids and I'll be home when I get home. If funds were available, and kids were taken care of, I'd be at every run.

Hell maybe this chapter has just gotten tooo damn big.

Yeah, maybe we should give KY to the SEC.


Hale

 

[scoobyxj]

If you must have a subforum and still want to use mwxj as the planning, as someone said earlier, why not just have a dummy trailrun subforum that links to mwxj's trailrun section.

Now that there my friend sounds like a decent idea.

Earlier when I commented on canning MWXJ. It was in reference to Sean's "Use it, or loose it " stament. It's not that I think the site is worthless. I just think if we are not going to use why have it? I also agree with Rev in it needs better exposure to our chapter as a whole to give a chance. I can understand it being used to plan MWC events, and see why it would be more of a PIA to plan without it, but as far as a pic host there are to many other free sights that do that now to make that even a issue.

 

[IntrepidXJ]

just an FYI- AZ chapter wanted a land use sub-forum here and did not get it. adding subforums and updating permissions and moderators (as they usually need to be changed semi-frequently) adds a lot of workload to the admins of the forum, and in general can be a huge pain in the ass. the admins want as few sub-forums for the cahpters as necessary....and i sure has hell don't blame them.

on the other hand, we have a whole seperate forum that we can do whatever we like with as a chapter....we can add more forums easily and add more features that would take a lot of time and effort to get done to the main boards here.

my 2 cents

 

[PhunkXJ]

Our BOD is in Illinois and I'd imagine it would be hard to have an event without them so we're probably at the mercy of how far they are willing to travel for where events are held. To me that does seem to be a very large area to try and have people come to events from.

This is not true. Technically the BOD is from IL, IN and MO. but their physical location obviously doesn't matter because they moved WF from IN to Flatnasty in MO. So the BOD is trying to accomodate more chapter and national members with the national event.

I have heard, but haven't looked for myself, That CF is going to be in northern Wisconsin.....WTF lets make the members spend hundreds to get there, I am lucky enough to tow my shit so its a little eisier, but lets keep in mind those DD's.

if that doesn't work for you, plan something more convenient for you and your chapter mates with DD's or cash flow issues or time restraints in your area... does the BOD have to plan everything and think about everyone all year? heck no! the MWC has one national event where the BOD does that, it is up to the chapter membership to make things happen year round.

CF is not a national event, as far as I know. if the group that barks the loudest attending/planning CF happens to mostly come from the chicagoland and central IL/IN area, then wherever is to their liking is going to be the location.

 

[Lawn Cher']

I really don't see a problem here. Seems to me that things are fine the way they are. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Rev Den]

I just want to add that it is GOOD to see the chapter getting involved in this debate.

To many times everyone sits on thier hands and does nothing, hats off to Brain for starting a discussion, and actually there have been some really good ideas coming out. Open debate can do nothing but make us stronger.

Involvment in your chapter is what makes it your chapter.

I really do love you guys....and girl.

Rev

 

[LBEXJ]

Maybe I'm old and easily confused, but I don't understand the problem here. A motion was made to create a trail run subforum in order to separate these events from the other posts. This, as some have suggested, would allow for more exposure to these unofficial events.

What does the status of MWXJ have to do with this motion? It is being discussed in the MWC BOD forum at MWXJ because this is the primary reason for that site (as Sean has mentioned). We are looking at the idea and weighing the advantages and disadvantages of the idea.

Les

 

[LBEXJ]

Don't confuse "Official Events" from "Unofficial Events". Carnagefest, though it has a "name", is not an official event. Members of the MWC can organize unofficial trail runs as often and wherever they choose. Why should I complain because a member or group of members have scheduled a get together that is not convienient for me? I'll go to those I can afford to go to, or I'll help organize one closer. One year, several of us planned a get together at Hot Springs where we met "Lard Ass" Ramsey. It was open to everyone ... nobody complained, they either went or chose not to.

Many of us in this Chapter have traveled as far as Moab, Paragon, Clayton, Disney, FlatNasty, and Colorado to wheel. Don't think for a minute that events, Official or Unofficial, are planned around "convienience".

Les

 

[HaleYes]

Don't confuse "Official Events" from "Unofficial Events". Carnagefest, though it has a "name", is not an official event. Members of the MWC can organize unofficial trail runs as often and wherever they choose. Why should I complain because a member or group of members have scheduled a get together that is not convienient for me? I'll go to those I can afford to go to, or I'll help organize one closer. One year, several of us planned a get together at Hot Springs where we met "Lard Ass" Ramsey. It was open to everyone ... nobody complained, they either went or chose not to.

Many of us in this Chapter have traveled as far as Moab, Paragon, Clayton, Disney, FlatNasty, and Colorado to wheel. Don't think for a minute that events, Official or Unofficial, are planned around "convienience".

Les

That's worth reading again.
That is the whole debacle in a nutshell. Well put Les. It'd no different than me going to the Sierra Chapter Forum and bitching that I can't make one of their unoffical runs.

Les, you always have a way of getting the point across in a well thought out no-nonsense approach. I like that and applaud you. :clap:
The plain and simple truth.

Hale

 

[Ramsey]

Don't confuse "Official Events" from "Unofficial Events". Carnagefest, though it has a "name", is not an official event. Members of the MWC can organize unofficial trail runs as often and wherever they choose. Why should I complain because a member or group of members have scheduled a get together that is not convienient for me? I'll go to those I can afford to go to, or I'll help organize one closer. One year, several of us planned a get together at Hot Springs where we met "Lard Ass" Ramsey. It was open to everyone ... nobody complained, they either went or chose not to.

Many of us in this Chapter have traveled as far as Moab, Paragon, Clayton, Disney, FlatNasty, and Colorado to wheel. Don't think for a minute that events, Official or Unofficial, are planned around "convienience".

Les

Your words, even though in type, still hurt :tear:

Hell I plan on going 700 miles one way to Tellico come September (as long as gas doesnt get too rediculous) you gotta pay to play, including time and money traveling.

 

[Roxtar]

I think one reason MWXJ is being used less is that, as the old guard has backed away somewhat, a lot of newer members have come on board without being lead to MWXJ. Perhaps the idea of having to be voted in to the "members" area of MWXJ should be rethought.
MWXJ was/is a great resource. It was created to allow us a little more freedom to express ourselves without having to deal with all the rules and regulations that are needed when dealing with a group the size and scope of .
It's basically our clubhouse and I still feel it has a place.
The time may have come to make it easier for new members to access it, however.

 

[HaleYes]

I think one reason MWXJ is being used less is that, as the old guard has backed away somewhat, a lot of newer members have come on board without being lead to MWXJ. Perhaps the idea of having to be voted in to the "members" area of MWXJ should be rethought.
MWXJ was/is a great resource. It was created to allow us a little more freedom to express ourselves without having to deal with all the rules and regulations that are needed when dealing with a group the size and scope of .
It's basically our clubhouse and I still feel it has a place.
The time may have come to make it easier for new members to access it, however.

I think most would agree that MWXJ is our "club house" if you will. It's also sort of an unwritten rule, that to get in the "club house" a campfire attendance is required, then the voting thing happens. Now, that may be out of the question for Joe Blow to make a campfire, Joe is in Timbuktu and just can't make a campfire. IMHO, sorry. His loss. It's our "Club House" we'll play by our rules. Brad is correct in that some day the time may come to make it easier to access the members area. Now is not that time.
I guess it's back to the "Why fix it if it ain't broke." philosophy for me.

JMHO.

Hale