I will try something different. Instead of debating points, this is what I meant. Religion can't be separated from people. Since I live around people, I am going to live around religion. I don't mind. It's all good. There are religious references everywhere. One thing I will admit, is that it bothers me that atheist and agnostics think the constitution means freedom FROM religion. It does not, nor is it even possible. Christmas isn't going anywhere. Get over it.
The fact that religion has some good moral points does not mean religion is right or true. People in general have a pretty consistent idea of what is generally right and wrong. Over a long period of time we have sort of figured out what is good for man and society and what is not. Religion does not win any points for having a couple of those things in it.
I can't stand how the religious right complains of the leftist liberal activist judges , then turns right around and employs the same tactics. I am sick of the right wing wachos using the courts and politics to make me believe in their invisible man. I have my own invisible man and he works great for me.
80% of Americans believe in something. I did not mean 80% were practicing Christians nor am I one. Most believe in "A" God or something and most have heard of Jesus. So this is generally a Christian country. Hindu, Budism, Muslims, and anything else make a very small minority. The sad thing is that most are decent good people. The whacko left and lunatic right both have agendas. They are dragging the rest of us into the mud with them. They divide, and draw lines. The original poster hasn't even commented since posting, yet here we are on each side of the fence.
I'm tired of the left trying to make me as miserable and free of responsibility for any of my actions like them. I am tired of the right forcing me to accept Jesus as my personal lord and savior, or burn in hell if I don't. People pray to a God. Guys kiss other guys. If you don't believe in one of those, then don't do it. Just leave me the Fawk out of it. I'll shut up now.