I conceed...

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nobody of any consequence
in reference to my previous post for PC guru help..... i can't seem to get this machine straightened out.... i'm wasting too much time on it and going nowhere.. there is either something WAAAAAY wrong with this or painfully obvious i can't see it.... i can not get the machine to upgrade to XP........ even with the original H/D installed.... XP errors out telling me i dont have a current windows application installed therefore i cannot "upgrade"..... i'll live with 98 for now and look for a replacement.... i'm convinced it's not my big "watch-2-movies-while-it-formats" HD... any replacement parts will be money better spent on a new PC or XJ parts.... and it'll still only have the 500 mhz celeron in it..... thanks for the help Kejtar, RichP, and Glenn..... how about some ideas what i should get in a NEW PC?? i use it for surfing, music files, digital photography, and basic WORD and EXCELL files.....
thanks alot guys.....
mike
 
Well, If you are looking for a "built/shipped/warranty" type thing, have a look at Dell.

I make mine outta individual parts I order/put together.... sometimes I wish I went pre-built, but it is cool to "roll your own", so to speak. :)
Glenn
 
dude.... i'm thinkin' dell....... anything but Emachines....... this is my 4th one.... and the 3rd to have major issues of some sort..... i got a new one for my daughters last Xmas and its fine but it doesnt get alot of use.... i know every company has to get it right after a while..... but i dont know if i can get another and have any faith in it...
mike
 
I second Dell... I have a dell laptop and I love it... also everyone that I have recommended the Dell to has no complaints and promised to be a dell customer forever :D

Btw... man... if you were closer, I'd stop by and I know we'd have it licked by the second dark brew :D
 
What I don't like about Dell is their bloody "DELL" splash screen at boot-up. It hides all the P.O.S.T. messages. I have two Dells, and when I accidently disabled the splash screen on the newer machine (more than a year after I bought it) I discovered that I had paid for 256 MB of RAM and received 128. Of course, it was out of warranty so Dell declined to make it up.

I was found I could disable the splash screen on the older machine permanently, but on the newer one it's only possible to disable for one boot, then it reverts to "DELL"

I won't buy another. Next computer I'll go to the computer fair and have some non-English speaking illegal alien build me one in front of me using all generic components that I can fix or replace.

Did I mention that I hate Dell?
 
I say build it yourself. You will know exactly whats on it and only what you want on it. Do not go gateway though. I have two friends that went that route and have just as many problems as the emachines. I have to agree with the rest on dell. Get a laptop since they are just as powerful as desktops and portable!
 
Eagle, I am at a loss as to a useful or productive comment to your post.

Imma, I too would suggest building it yourself.... other than the fact that the chap that posted the request seems to be quite frustrated at this point. Money and time wise, a Dell type deal may be easiest. I have done several for customers in the area. The shipping, pricing and warranty have worked well. Prices lately for those rigs are almost too good to pass up. For what I paid for just a Processor and Mobo, I could have almost got a complete Dell.

Glenn
 
'nother Dell vote. At work I'm a geek (handle computers for a corporate real estate firm), all I buy is Dell, only two "pre built" computers are wroth any money in my book, Dell and Apple.

Home brew is good too, one thing though, it's mroe expensive, as Glenn said. Eagle, when you do that, get recomendations on the person, all parts are not created equal, and a home brew machine can either be the best computer or the worst.

Sequoia

Oh, and I've bought about 30 - 40 Dell computeres, from desktops, laptops, servers, never had a problem.
 
sounds like Dell is the way to go.... i'll most likely order it tonite... thanks for all the help guys..... maybe i'll actually get to sleep at a decent hour... nahh!!!!
mike
 
Just a professional systems builders prospective

I recommend dell for 'soccer moms' that use it for browsing and catching up on the soaps :D . Gatway uses more mainline components that are replaceable such as power supplies and such. Most of the dells use propriatery parts that can only be replaced by dell. Typically if your dell dies this is what happens.
1. Call tech support and they run you thru a checklist. Checklist proves there is a hardware problem.
2. Part gets courrier deliverd from nearest part center, here in pa its' newark nj or phila pa.
3. courrier delivers part so you call dell back, tell them part or parts arrived and they dispatch repair tech who is generally a contracted PC repair person.
4. Repair person arrives, fixes unit and you are back up and running, generally takes 2-3 days tops.
5. You are too far away for the above solution or you bought one of the cheaper desktops and it's not worth it for dell to go to all this trouble so they have you ship it back and turn it around in 5-8 days. That is unless you bought 50 of these systems, then it's a different story :D

On the other hand gateway has mainstream parts and if you are in any way able to turn a screwdriver will drop ship you the repair part overnite in a prepaid return package which is handy for infant mortality failures like HD's and processors and other electronics.
I, as a system builder, tell customers that want me to build a custom box that I cannot beat the prices on the lower level dells and gateways, having to buy the OS is what kills that price difference.
For a general machine an Asus or intel 845 board with onboard gig lan/vid/sound and a retail boxed 2.8ghz P4 with 512mem costs me ~$452, OS takes it to almost $600, add a case, optical dvd burner, SATA HD, floppy, extra case fans and the ball park is around $850, then I tack on a 10% builder fee and show the customer the invoice for the parts I used. The customers I get and want are ones who want performance, reliability and support local business's. Custom builders like me will go the extra yard and use special cases, colored even with color matched keyboards, mice and monitors, we also build 'quiet computers' that you need to look at the lights to see if it's on :D I REFUSE to build cheap crappy boxes that have my name on them. Theres nothing that makes my day than another tech saying 'wow, thats nice'.
Plus the better local system builders like me also go the extra mile and generally will deliver or spend the time showing you the features, not to mention are generally a quick phone call away and can respond quickly, not call forwarded to Calcutta india.
Problem is you are pushed for time and finding a really good builder can be hard and one who uses brand name parts instead of mystery boards even harder. There is enough talent on this site that we could put together a dozen different hardware configs that more than suit your purpose and actually building one takes about 30 min once you get all the unpacking done, it is the software install that takes the time. Another 30 min to fold all the cables too to get them out of the airflow.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
 
Eagle said:
What I don't like about Dell is their bloody "DELL" splash screen at boot-up. It hides all the P.O.S.T. messages.

Eagle... I'm sorry to say that..... but you gotz issues with comps that I don't think anyone will ever comprehend :D
There are ways to make the splash screen go away forever!!!!! And if you don't wanna buy a particular computer because of their splash screen it's the same as someone saying: I won't by this car cause the vanity mirrors have a flip down cover on them :D
 
sometimes I wish I went pre-built

say it ain't so. so.....what you're saying is you wish you were coherced into using "DeLL" drivers for your products.........or having to flash the BIOS to get your motherboard to function to it's full potential....or pay 3x what you just put into your new computer to get a machine that is CLOSE to comprable??

Good god no. And please don't buy Dell. Even though I am one one now at work...........and I bought 30 of them for my office this spring..........

I just hate all the crap that comes with a "new" computer now-a-days. Oh well.......I'll build you one and ship it cheaper than Dell can make you one for. =) And mine will be faster....and better looking. =)
 
Oh...I'm a PC/Linux guy all the way...but the new G5 maybe be one of the nicest built computers I have EVER seen.

-M
 
SHIT!!!....to many comments to make.....

AND GOOD LORD PLEASE NO ONE IN THE WORLD EVER BUY AN EMACHINES COMPUTER EVER AGAIN. THEY ARE THE YUGOS OF COMPUTERS!!!!!!
 
Kejtar said:
Eagle... I'm sorry to say that..... but you gotz issues with comps that I don't think anyone will ever comprehend :D
There are ways to make the splash screen go away forever!!!!! And if you don't wanna buy a particular computer because of their splash screen it's the same as someone saying: I won't by this car cause the vanity mirrors have a flip down cover on them :D

No -- I made it go away on the older machine (Dimension L550r). Dell tech support confirmed that it cannot be made to go away on the nwer one (Dimension 4100).

It's not the splash screen per se that I object to -- it's the fact that when it runs the user cannot see the POST messages, so you don't see what's going on inside your computer. That's why I didn't tumble to the fact that they shorted me half of the memory I paid for. It's not at all comparable to a vanity mirror. It's more like buying a car that should have gauges and all you see when you sit in the driver's seat is idiot lights. I won't buy a vehicle that doesn't have gauges. Why should I buy a computer that gives me a boot screen that's worse than idiot lights? The splash screen doesn't even report problems during boot -- it hides 'em. At least an idiot light comes on to let you know "By the way you have just destroyed your engine."

The splash screen should be a simple toggle in the setup, and the user should have the option to turn it off -- permanently.
 
Eagle said:
It's not the splash screen per se that I object to -- it's the fact that when it runs the user cannot see the POST messages, so you don't see what's going on inside your computer. That's why I didn't tumble to the fact that they shorted me half of the memory I paid for.

Eagle... my feathery friend..... there is more then one spot to check your memory size :D
Now don't take me wrong, I understand your frustration about the memory thing, but....... Dells do make one of the most reliable systems from what I have seen (and I get to see quite a few through my company's customers) and from my own experience (Dell Laptop) and my friends who bought upon my recomendation and insistance (laptops and desktops)......
And Rich... don't get me started on Gateway..... you wanna talk proprietary?? :D

Kejtar
 
I'll conceed on some of gateway

being propriatery but only the ALR designed servers, ALR's middle name was propriatery from the first day they started production back in the 80's and some of their smaller mini atx stuff is also but their main line mid and full towers use standard parts. That said it has been about 18 months since I have bought any in quantity and as I roll my own very rarely look at other brands cept for performance specs so I can one up em... :D

However I am doing the laptop shopping now for a decent one, probably going with an Asus on general principles but have been looking at dells and gateways. Want no part of toshies or fuji's and asus makes a nice bascially 'white box' laptop with lots of horse power, 2gb mem, good display, nic and wireless nic. I'd really like an R50 but dont have that kind of cash around right now.
However what I should be looking at are one of the military grade ones from panasonic that can take a physical beating and still keep on running.
 
Re: I'll conceed on some of gateway

RichP said:
However what I should be looking at are one of the military grade ones from panasonic that can take a physical beating and still keep on running.

Look at the dells and get their complete care warranty :D Then if it breaks (even physically goes into pieces) they will cover you :D
Btw, the Inspiron 8000 series ones are a real workhorse :D
 
Yeeee haaa, that puppy hit $3500 REAL QUICK as soon as I upgraded to 2gig mem but 512 just seems so *small* and the stinkers use 2 simms in all their configs which makes upgrading more expensive down the road. :mad:
 
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