How to remove tubes from a Dana 44?

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I blew the dana 30 up, wow. I'm looking into building a Dana 44 but it seems that my options are limited due to axle width. I was thinking about taking a HP Dana 44 from an F150, separating the pumpkin and putting it on a Waggy 44, non disco. This would give me a nice width and HP and I can run standard shafts. The only thing I am worried about is getting the tubes out. Is there a correct way to do it? Thanks
 
Cut down the ford tubes to waggy length and weld the knuckles back on.
 
You could actually do it... But, to remove them from the wag housing without damaging them will require cutting the housing. Basically make two relief cuts on each side to the big plug welds. Grind out the plugs welds. It'll come apart hopefully without wrecking the tubes.


Then on the ford housing take the plug welds out with a toch. You'll ruin the tubes doing this. Then get creative with a press.


Then take a cylinder hone and clean out the ford housing a bit. But, not too much - it's only a .0025 interference fit, IIRC. Make sure the tubes that are to go in are nice and clean with no irregularities from griding out the plug welds. Put the tubes in the freezer (or better yet - leave 'em outside in a Canadian winter) and the centre section in the oven at about 400*. Make SURE you put the tubes in the right sides. They should just slide in at that temperature difference. If not, you might need a bit of a BFH to persuade them, or worst case scenario a press. Make sure you get the caster right too...




But, I agree. It's way easier to just buck off the ford housing to wag width. I'd only swap tubes if I wanted it passenger side drop.


Edit, does Dedenbear make D44 Cs? I know they do D60/70 ones. For the money I'd actually say buy the D60/70 ones and their D60 outers and make it really nice. But, yeah, money.
 
Wil Badger said:
ya only problem with that is the cast "C" radius mounts are right there making that option a no go.



Ah... Not necessarily. I believe it was 78+ that got the horrid weak tubes/cast mounts.


The earlier ones had standard D44 tubes, and wedges for radius arm mounts welded on.
 
So I think now the best thing to do is cut the passenger side f150 tube, shorten it to waggy size and buy a custom shaft. Any preferred year? Thanks guys.
 
76 -77 has discs and the radius arms welded on , 78 and newer are cast into the tubes and only have 1/4 wall thickness . or look for 250 axle easier easier just have to change your outers for your bolt pattern.
 
I also have another thought. I have a dana 60 from a J truck, something like 64" wms to wms. What is the width of an f 250 axle? Maybe I'll do 8 lug with hummer rims or something. This way I don't have to do any shortening on the front axle.
 
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The F250 axle should be 67"~ WMS-WMS.


If you want to go full-width, then go for it. The J-twuck rear should match the front alright - most factory applciations use a rear that is a couple inches narrower than the front as it helps with turning.


Personally I didn't go full-width as if anything I'm thinking of taking 6-12" out of the middle of my cab and dove-nosing it. Space is tight where I wheel, and I don't use my centre console.
 
could you take the HP44 from a 78, remove the tubes, weld in tubes that are jeep D44 rear length, and use some moly aftermarket shafts to make a rear HP44??? i wanna 44, but cant find a cherokee 44 close to here, and have an extra 44HP from a 78 F150.
 
Here are some pictures of CW's XJ
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Maybe he will chime in...
 
i am in the middle of the same thing , but i am cutting down the long side of a 78 44 axle and going to make it a pass drop. then retube the other side going to run waggy long side and maybe a chevy short side i think that should me a little less then a full width but wider then waggy.so 64 -65 wms. I heard if you drill a pilot hole in the plug weld then hit with a torch it will be a little easier to do. But so far all i got is a broken bit. lol but have my inners off.
 
Here's the Cruzin Illusion HP44 build to Waggy width



In the late 1960’s Ford directed Dana to design a high pinion, reverse spiral 44. The first 3-4 years of production used a kingpin knuckle design that is obsolete, and difficult to play with. One could use an early housing and press aftermarket inner-knuckles on to fix this limitation. About 1970, Ford began utilizing a ball joint inner knuckle that is very common. The early to mid 70’s F-100 and F-150 Ford axles utilized drum brakes, and either a 5 bolt or 6 bolt spindle pattern.. This should not be confused with wheel bolt pattern. The spindle bolt pattern attaches the spindle to the outer knuckle. All F-100’s and F-150’s were a 5 on 5.5” wheel bolt pattern and they are about 67” wide, WMS to WMS. These early Ford units are desirable because Ford welded the suspension mounts (Radius Arm “C’s” as they are commonly known) to the axle tubes. Beginning in mid-to-late 1976, Ford began casting the suspension mounts as part of the inner knuckle assembly. These mounts take up a considerable amount of tube, and if you want to use any other than Ford’s suspension design, they will vex your efforts. In 77-79, the vaunted an highly prized “Camper Special” F-150 was available. This is basically an F-250 axle with 5 on 5.5” outers which you are going to ditch anyway (more later). Don’t pay a premium for this unit unless you have the odd desire to run leaf springs, as the extra material in the leaf spring perch makes it difficult to mount link mounts. The same applies for the F-250’s of that vintage. In late 1979, Ford revamped there whole front suspension design, and introduced the highly undesirable, Twin Traction design.

With this information in hand I set out to look for a 1970 to early 1976 Ford F-100 or F-150 High Pinion (Reverse Spiral Cut) Dana 44. I came across a early 1976 F-150 axle that I purchase for $175.00.

This is the axle from a 1976 Ford F150.
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The factory welded on radius arm mounts have been cut off.
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I originally was going to shorten the axle to a Wagoneer width and offset which would make you shorten the drivers side 3.11" (18.91"-15.8"=3.11")

and shorten the passenger side 1.79" (33.91"-32.12"=1.79")

But with the decision of shortening the axle equally on both sides to keep the Pinion where it should be with proepr yoke alignment and the T&T Truss system, it came out that I should shorten the axle on both sides 2.45"
3.11"+1.79"=4.9"
4.9"/2=2.45"

This is still Waggy width but not with the same offset, so stock Waggy axles will not be used.

To mark the correct spot where I was suppose to cut the axle, I took a few measurements. I needed to know how far out the inner knuckles set out from the end of the tube. With my dial calipers I got a measurement of 0.130". So I added that to the 2.45" and mark the axle tube at 2.58" from the outboard side of the inner knuckle. I then cut the inner knuckles off with a sawsall just inside the welds on the axle tube. This gave me clearance to use a chop saw to cut the axle tubes to the right length. If using this method make sure that you set up the chop saw level and that the axle tube is also level so you achieve a perfect perpendicular cut.
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After determining that the pinion angle that would work best in my vehicle would be 13 degrees. I set the axle on jack stands at that pinion angle and then knocked on the inner C's at a 5 degree angle.
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Then I welded on T&T Customs HP44 XJ truss system with the spring seat brackets and lower control arm brackets. The system is really easy to install, you just set your axle at the correct pinion angle, set the truss on top and level it and weld it up, then all the other brackets line up to that truss and get welded on.

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Some shiny paint and your ready for knuckles.
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Awesome work !
I have been in contact with TnT and they told me that they are working on a truss system for the LP 44 waggy housing now. So I have decided if I want to hold on with my waggy housing or start looking for a HP 44.

Chris
 
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