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[Cornflake]

Now now, it was all in jest. I will however remove it from my signature so that people don't get the wrong idea. I'm not very p.c. and never claimed to be. People get a little too butt hurt these days about dumb sh*t.

 

[HaZakated]

I'm with the guy up top, it is an ingenious idea, that is has not been done before, and cable clamps are used on cables that can have more weight than a cherokee applied to it (assuming the correct size of cable is used) but cable clamps are designed to hold cable together in the opposite direction thought the hole, not the way he has them therefore the threads in the nuts and the threads on the clamp are the only thing that is holding it together, I would suggest you weld them to the bumper for safety.. but why not do what the other dude said, simpley make new mounts for the bumper that extend through the bumper and drill and put shackles in the ends, cut slots in the bumper, slip it on and weld both front and rear of the bumper and you know have super strong tow points since they are pulling directly on the frame and not the bumper (which can casue the bumper to bend.) Plus I have found it makes fitment of the bumper easier, cause you can get that bumper nice and close to the body.

I learned something valuable from this thread....read the whole thread before posting your opinion.

I never intended to sell the cable clamp bumper to anyone. I only used the cable clamps because they were readily available (for my own personal use). I should have kept them out of the thread. If you don't believe me, before you make another post, read my first post.

I would like to withdraw my comment about "people bashing me"....I would like to substitute that comment with, "one person was bashing me." I can see now that most of you were just stating that the cable clamps are not a good route to go (of which I agree). I still am very curious as to what kind of a abuse they will take...Arn't you? I went out and bought a couple cable clamps. At some point, I am going to take them to our mechanical testing lab (here at work) and test them (in many ways). I am just curious what they are capable of. If I find that they will not be sufficient, I will replace them with another system. If I find that they will be ok for most practical applications, I will leave them alone.

I am not much of a communications expert. If my comments appear to trigger some kind of reaction in you that is not positive, most of the time I have communicated poorly.

 

[TNT]

I learned something valuable from this thread....read the whole thread before posting your opinion.

I never intended to sell the cable clamp bumper to anyone. I only used the cable clamps because they were readily available (for my own personal use). I should have kept them out of the thread. If you don't believe me, before you make another post, read my first post.

I would like to withdraw my comment about "people bashing me"....I would like to substitute that comment with, "one person was bashing me." I can see now that most of you were just stating that the cable clamps are not a good route to go (of which I agree). I still am very curious as to what kind of a abuse they will take...Arn't you? I went out and bought a couple cable clamps. At some point, I am going to take them to our mechanical testing lab (here at work) and test them (in many ways). I am just curious what they are capable of. If I find that they will not be sufficient, I will replace them with another system. If I find that they will be ok for most practical applications, I will leave them alone.

I am not much of a communications expert. If my comments appear to trigger some kind of reaction in you that is not positive, most of the time I have communicated poorly.

It's March Membership drive time. You should at least become a member.

If you are going to pimp your products, become a Supporting Vendor.

 

[conway4x4]

This comment has been around for awhile, i'm sure no harm was ment!!

 

[karstic]

...I can see now that most of you were just stating that the cable clamps are not a good route to go (of which I agree). I still am very curious as to what kind of a abuse they will take...Arn't you? I went out and bought a couple cable clamps. At some point, I am going to take them to our mechanical testing lab (here at work) and test them (in many ways). I am just curious what they are capable of.

Is your curiosity worth the possibility of hurting or killing someone. How will you explain it to the husband, wife, son, daughter of the person that is injured by your design. "I'm just curious."

Do all the testing you want. Do it before you apply it to a real world application. Then build proper D-ring mounts.

 

[HaZakated]

Is your curiosity worth the possibility of hurting or killing someone. How will you explain it to the husband, wife, son, daughter of the person that is injured by your design. "I'm just curious."

Do all the testing you want. Do it before you apply it to a real world application. Then build proper D-ring mounts.

Yes...my curiosity is worth the life of babies and fuzzy kitty cats.......lol. I am a COLD HEARTED CABLE CLAMP KILLER!!!!!

Karstic....I have a wife and three kids of my own. I am NOT going to hurt anyone. Your comment is ridiculously dramatic.

I understand your concerns though..................

Here.....I WILL SAY TO EVERYONE! DO NOT USE CABLE CLAMPS!!! <-----BAD

EVIL CABLE CLAMPS!!!!! CABLE CLAMPS KILL PEOPLE!!!!

There...Happy. Now everyone stays alive.

 

[Skullver]

Yes...my curiosity is worth th life of babies and fuzzy kitty cats.......lol. I am a COLD HEARTED CABLE CLAMP KILLER!!!!!

Karstic....I have a wife and three kids of my own. I am NOT going to hurt anyone. Your comment is ridiculously dramatic.

I think you are missing the point there killer, it is entirely possible that your cable clamp will work ok, as long as you don't tug on it, but the main point is, you are unsure if it will fail or not, if it fails while some poor sod is trying to yank you out of stuck and kills/maims him, even vehicular damage at the best scenario, you saved a few bucks and some work but at the cost of whatever bad things happen when tow points fail. Keep your experiments away from innocent people, having access to FEA software makes me think you should really know better but just like arguing, or you may be a dangerous person that tricks people into thinking you know what you are doing, while in reality, you don't, or don't care. Somebody needs to search for tow point failure vids and see what you are "playing" with. good luck

 

[HaZakated]

Futhermore....

Just because I have access to ANSYS and destructive test facilities does not mean I know what I am talking about. I know a little about off-roading. Enough to have fun. I also know that in the future I will know more than I know now.

I can tell you this....each time I make a post, I learn something new. Thats why I'm here. I'm not competing with you; I'm simply sharing and learning.

Because I am going to school full time, raising a family, working, and trying to feed my off-road addiction, there is no telling when I will get around performing these tests. However, I can assure you that they will be done and that I will not use the cable clamps for any extreme recovery's until I am certain they are not dangerous. If I find that they are going to break in an extreme pulling situation, I will cut them off and fab up the stongest clevis mounts ever produced (within financial reason).

 

[Matt S.]

Hey... now THAT is good with me! A heart that yearns for new information is a-o-k with me.

 

[GrimmJeeper]

:cheers: thanks for the sig

 

[HaZakated]

2 things......Be sure to read all before replying.

1) I was thinking about the cable clamp some more.....Isn't the cable clamp material similar to that of a chain? The main differences are that the cable clamp is bigger than most chain links I use and there are no welds on the cable clamp. Each chain link has a weld holding it together. So wouldn't that imply that the clable clamp would be stronger than a huge chain link??

Just a thought....I could be wrong.

2) What do you think about this clevis mount? Any suggestions before I build?

This mount is running through the front face of the bumper and grounded into the frame mounts. This is 3/8" thick mild steel and will be welded where there are red lines. The bolts are 1/2" grade 8's.

I am having some problems uploading pics...anyone know of good sites to use besides Photobucket and tinypic?


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[vetteboy]

Why not make one continuous piece that runs through the face, and then plate it on the front face to be the appropriate width? Looks right now like the main mounting plate dead-ends and you've got an additional piece that actually passes through.

 

[HaZakated]

Why not make one continuous piece that runs through the face, and then plate it on the front face to be the appropriate width? Looks right now like the main mounting plate dead-ends and you've got an additional piece that actually passes through.

I see what you are saying, I just wanted to do something quick. I do not want to re-make the whole frame mounts. Basically, I could make these in just a few hours with a chop saw, welder, and drill press.

The idea of the bent piece on the front face was to keep the 3/8" thick steel from bending from side to side. Also....I can use the holes I drilled for the cable clamp with this configuration. I don't want to patch the old holes.


Maybe I misunderstood you.

 

[TNT]

Basically, I could make these in just a few hours with a chop saw, welder, and drill press.

You should at least become a member.

If you are going to pimp your products, become a Supporting Vendor.

Membership and supporting vendors are what keeps this site alive for people to ask ? and get answers. Something you have been doing... and planning on making $ off of....

I have seen the pics which show you with your business logo and you state in this post that you will be selling these.

Membership has benefits. It keeps this site alive and more.

BTW, if you can have brackets welded onto your bumper it shouldn't be a big deal to fix the holes left from cable clamps. Then add real pull points that look good and are safe to use.

 

[HaZakated]

You should at least become a member.

If you are going to pimp your products, become a Supporting Vendor.

I will become a member soon.

It will be a while before I will be in any position to sell off road equipment. I am an undergraduate mechanical engineering student at Miami University (OHIO) for atleast the next 1.5 years. After that I am going after a Masters.

BTW, if you can have brackets welded onto your bumper it shouldn't be a big deal to fix the holes left from cable clamps. Then add real pull points that look good and are safe to use.

Is there anything unsafe about the d-shackle mount design in the links listed above (in my post before last)?

Why not make one continuous piece that runs through the face, and then plate it on the front face to be the appropriate width? Looks right now like the main mounting plate dead-ends and you've got an additional piece that actually passes through.

I do not understand your vision here. Do you have a picture of what you mean? Sorry.

 

[PornstaR]

Why not make one continuous piece that runs through the face, and then plate it on the front face to be the appropriate width? Looks right now like the main mounting plate dead-ends and you've got an additional piece that actually passes through.

I belive this is what he means. I did this on mine when i built it. The recovery point is two peices. The 1/2" on the right side goes through and is the bracket. Added a peice to the left side (another 1/2"). 2 reasons for adding it.
1- so it would have no chance on bending either side to side
2- so the clevis wouldnt bang around and would fit much tighter

 

[Kaczman]

You can but these prefabbed clevis mounts for $17 a pair. They're long enough to weld through the bumper.

It wasn't worth my time to make anything for as cheap as these brackets are.

-Jon

 

[vetteboy]

I do not understand your vision here. Do you have a picture of what you mean? Sorry.

PornStar pretty much got it, but here's a pic from when I was mocking mine up.

 

[PornstaR]

^^^ Thats as far as you went back?? Only the 3 stock bolt locations?? I went all the way back with mine (7 bolts each and 1/2in stock)

 

[vetteboy]

^^^ Thats as far as you went back?? Only the 3 stock bolt locations?? I went all the way back with mine (7 bolts each and 1/2in stock)

Noooo....that was just a template I made. The real one covers 5 bolts per side, and I also took out the stupid nutserts in the front and reinforced those mounts.