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Why would anyone be scared to post responsibly? Here is how to post up about a closed area:
"That area is now closed, and unfortunately no OHV are allowed in that area any more."
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How is that not a contradiction of:
No! Bad idea!!!!!
Stop it and delete it all!
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and:
Not condoning it is still talking about it.
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...even the posts "not condoning" it can be used to hurt us.
When Sean said:
maybe leaving ones that are not condoning it would be a good idea?
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I was thinking that he meant, "Leave the parts that inform people that place is closed and we should not wheel there anymore."
That's why I said:
...the part about the signs being ripped down constantly is a good thing for people to know.
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Meaning, "People should know the place is closed to OHV and that they can't rely on signage or history." I'm still not sure if you...
A) Understood what I was trying to convey and took issue with the words I used
B) Understood what I was trying to convey but think we shouldn't speak of it at all
C) Did not understand what I was trying to convey and thought that my goal was to call attention to vandalism
D) None of the above
IMO, your fear of having posts taken out of context is absurd and it would be impossible to prevent. They could do the same damn thing with your posts...
And even in your example of how to say it correctly!
OHV are allowed in that area
So, that brings us back to "Don't talk about it at all!":
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A case in point, if I tell you "Do not think about Beer" what are you going to think about?
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So, that's like the theory that if you have kids take a sex education class it's going to cause them to have sex? "Just don't talk about it and they won't do it!"
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Posting up that "we would Tread Lightly" is posting up that other times we don't "Tread Lightly"
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Give me a friggin' break! And if you tell me to "Drive safe." that means that other times you want me to "Drive dangerously."? Having a "trail cleanup day" means every other day we throw garbage on the ground? Asking if there is a no trespassing sign means that if there isn't, it's you can do whatever you want? Saying "This club does not advocate illegal wheeling" means that other clubs do? And on and on and on. What "we would tread lightly" actually means is that the guy didn't know me from Adam and I wanted to assure him, since he was kind enough to let us drive on his property, we would act responsibly and considerately. (Oh wait! That means that if I'm on public land, I must be irresponsible and inconsiderate!)
If they want to make us look bad, they'll post something on our boards themselves, or they'll photo shop a quote that looks a whole helluva lot worse than any legitimately well meaning posts about why we SHOULDN'T do something illegal! it's not hard for them to do, and it's not even any less honest or moral... why wouldn't they?
And yes, I think there were things that should have been removed from this thread! Definitely!
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We all get what we are not doing and what others are and what should and should not be done, but don't post about it!!!!!
Is more condoning than I ever meant to advocate!
And as Sean was trying to say earlier, even Josh's post should be removed.
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does not condone wheeling in closed or illegal areas.
Several posts were removed for this reason.
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He didn't mean any harm either, but you didn't jump all over him!
And Josh, no disrespect, but I think this does need to be discussed, and if I'm wrong, I want somebody to point it out. I don't think Letterman and I are going to see eye to eye; it's probably going to take somebody else jumping in. It's your call if you want to delete the thread, or maybe move it to the SC BOD forum so the enemy can't read it?
Billy
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