has anyone heard if GM,is to buy jeep side of chrysler ?

[casm]

Maybe GM could put the 4.2 I-6 or the 3.5 I-5 in a Jeep... It's a step in the right direction!

4.2 yes, 3.5 not so much. Haven't been impressed with the I5-engined vehicles I've driven - hate to say it, but they all feel one cylinder short of an engine.

 

[88-xj-laredo]

Don't worry about it guys. Nobody is going to buy Jeep anytime soon. They need money for that.....:confused1

 

[motorcityxj]

my vote is on magna or kerkorian. GM doesnt want or need DCX they have to many brands that compete with each other as it is. In many segments many gm models greatest competitor is a sister model at a related make based on the same chasis/frame etc.

GM mercedes made sense on paper because chrysler was virtually all below 40 grand, and mercedes was virtually all above 40 grand with the only overlap competing model would arguable be the grand cherokee and the mercedes ml series both being small suv though not even really the same as the ml was more a cruiser street SUV.

A GM chrylser marriage would be a disaster. total fricken disaster. Virtually everything chrylser makes gm makes a competing model ... usually in 3 or more variants. Why the hell would they want 7 or more vehicles in many segments. Thats a terrible idea.

 

[Darky]

I want an H3! Great trail capabilities, 33s from the factory, 4:1 available with I think 4.56s, trail-sized, why not?

 

[Darky]

The new 3.7 I5 isn't bad. Haven't driven it yet, but it makes 242hp, running up there with the Tacoma's V6. The 3.5 was only 220hp. More than the 4.3, but quite a bit less torque.

 

[casm]

The new 3.7 I5 isn't bad. Haven't driven it yet, but it makes 242hp, running up there with the Tacoma's V6. The 3.5 was only 220hp. More than the 4.3, but quite a bit less torque.

Here's the problem I had with the 3.5-litre I5:

In the Colorado, it moved it along in a way that could best be described as 'sufficient'. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. Quite frankly, I wouldn't want to have to live with one with that engine for any great length of time, but there are worse options.

In the H3 (which gained somewhere in the region of 700-1000lbs. of glass, metal, and mechanicals over the Colorado, depending on spec), it was a complete and utter gutless wonder in anything other than 4LO - and even then, the only reason it worked as well as it did was because of the 4:1 low range.

We had one on test in (IIRC) May of last year. The H3 did great off-road, but with three of us plus (maybe) 100lbs. of camera gear in it, it took 18 seconds for us to pass a 1990-ish Geo Metro doing 75 on an uphill stretch.

I'm willing to admit that I haven't yet driven a vehicle with the 3.7 in it, so my comparison may be a bit dated - but I still stand by my assertion that the 3.5-litre I5 is comparatively down on power.

 

[WaXJ_Skier]

All of my college money happpens to be in Chrysler stock so I hope I don't get screwed if something happens

 

[xDUMPTRUCKx]

All of my college money happpens to be in Chrysler stock so I hope I don't get screwed if something happens

you put all of your money into the company that built the neon!:roflmao:

 

[GSequoia]

you put all of your money into the company that built the neon!:roflmao:

Shit man. I have more faith in the Neon than any other compact I've dealt with a lot.

The only problem is those damn 2.0's leak oil more than a Jeep!

 

[WaXJ_Skier]

you put all of your money into the company that built the neon!:roflmao:

I didn't my Grandpa gave it to me and my Dad controls it until I finish my 2 year and transfer to a 4 year school. My Grandpa worked for Chrysler most of his working life his retirement benefits are pretty tight. 2 cars a year with insurance paid for he just has to return them at the end of the year. Right now he has a Commander and a Liberty I think.

 

[IXNAYXJ]

The new 3.7 I5 isn't bad. Haven't driven it yet, but it makes 242hp, running up there with the Tacoma's V6. The 3.5 was only 220hp. More than the 4.3, but quite a bit less torque.

The 3.5/3.7 debate is moot now. You can finally get a 5.3 V-8, the motor it should have come out with from the beginning.

Reagrding the buyout of Chrysler, I don't see any benefit to any major car company from getting 16 BILLION dollars of additional debt, not to mention competing with itself. The only brand that has serious value in the Chrysler side of DCX is Jeep (and maybe the Cummins brand name, though that's now obsolete), so it's highly doubtsul Daimler would seperate the three brands.

Check out www.sniffpetrol.com for some funny satire about the Company's future.

-----Matt-----

 

[Spudboy]

It's been a month or so since I heard this on some radio program, but at that point Daimler wanted to sell Chrysler but keep the Jeep brand. It was the only part of the Chrysler deal that was making money.

 

[Teellandor]

The only brand that has serious value in the Chrysler side of DCX is Jeep (and maybe the Cummins brand name, though that's now obsolete), so it's highly doubtsul Daimler would seperate the three brands.

The General was considering it for the Ram series pickups. Ever since the focus of Chevrolet trucks and the GMC brands sorta swapped (luxo truck/suv), but not very well, they've taken a serious downturn in the medium duty markets. They were thinking that putting Chevy badges on the current Dodge and leaving GMC to do the sissy truck thing.

Yeah. Right. Even if that might have a chance of working, the Germans didn't go for the split anyway.

 

[wetazz]

Hey great answers guys,i guess we'll see what shakes. Thanks for the replys and info shared.

 

[motorcityxj]

The General was considering it for the Ram series pickups. Ever since the focus of Chevrolet trucks and the GMC brands sorta swapped (luxo truck/suv), but not very well, they've taken a serious downturn in the medium duty markets. They were thinking that putting Chevy badges on the current Dodge and leaving GMC to do the sissy truck thing.

Yeah. Right. Even if that might have a chance of working, the Germans didn't go for the split anyway.

huh? I dont believe that for one second, no offense. where did you hear this. I have heard nothing of that scenario. Did you hear this verbally or read it in a respected trade journal, the news, one fo the car rags etc.

 

[89Daytona]

Chrysler is planning on building 1 possibly 2 new plants and refurbishing atleast one... I doubt they are really going to sell out.

 

[zachxj01]

didnt hear that story but i did read somewhere i forget that porshe wants to buy VW has nothing to do w/ jeeps just thought that was kinda interesting

 

[Darky]

Here's the problem I had with the 3.5-litre I5:

In the Colorado, it moved it along in a way that could best be described as 'sufficient'. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. Quite frankly, I wouldn't want to have to live with one with that engine for any great length of time, but there are worse options.

In the H3 (which gained somewhere in the region of 700-1000lbs. of glass, metal, and mechanicals over the Colorado, depending on spec), it was a complete and utter gutless wonder in anything other than 4LO - and even then, the only reason it worked as well as it did was because of the 4:1 low range.

We had one on test in (IIRC) May of last year. The H3 did great off-road, but with three of us plus (maybe) 100lbs. of camera gear in it, it took 18 seconds for us to pass a 1990-ish Geo Metro doing 75 on an uphill stretch.

I'm willing to admit that I haven't yet driven a vehicle with the 3.7 in it, so my comparison may be a bit dated - but I still stand by my assertion that the 3.5-litre I5 is comparatively down on power.

I've driven 4.3 S10s and 3.5 COlorados, and the S10 always felt more powerful. It was an S10 extended cab ZR2 most of the time versus a Colorado 4x4 extended cab. so pretty similar except the S10 had bigger tires and more skidplating to contend with. I also haven't driven anything yet with the 3.7, but if it moves at all like the bigger (than Colorado) but similarly powerful Tacoma, it should really move.

The whole "Chevy Ram" scenario makes no sense. Why would they take something as iconic and recognizable as a Dodge and try to get people to believe its a Chevy? My take is that its all just a ploy to make the UAW back off. The union may have been needed to protect the workers way back when, in the days before labor laws, but these days nobody's going to mistreat the workers. Now the only thing they do is push for ever increasing wages and benefits and such. The domestics can't say no or else they lose their labor force until they give in and that's a big reason why American car companies can't make any money. They spend their money paying out retirement benefits, health care, and etc. Whatever profits they do get are spent, leaving no money for developing better cars, which is the other side. Only recently are they coming out with desirable vehicles.

 

[IXNAYXJ]

didnt hear that story but i did read somewhere i forget that porshe wants to buy VW has nothing to do w/ jeeps just thought that was kinda interesting

Porsche already has a controlling interest in VW. Ferdinand Piech (VW head honcho for many years) personally owns 13% of VW and he's a member of the Porsche family (Ferdinand Porsche's grandson).

-----Matt-----

 

[motorcityxj]

didnt hear that story but i did read somewhere i forget that porshe wants to buy VW has nothing to do w/ jeeps just thought that was kinda interesting

Porsche buying vw and all its sudsidiaries (lamborgini, seat, skoda, Bugatti , audi, Bentley) that would be like Daewoo buying GM. Or ferrari buying GM. Now i can see VW buying porsche that sounds doable.

this is from wikipidia

"The company has had a close relationship with Porsche, the Zuffenhausen-based sports car manufacturer founded in 1931 by Ferdinand Porsche, the original Volkswagen designer. The first Porsche cars, the 1948 Porsche 356, used many Volkswagen components including a tuned engine, gearbox and suspension. Later collaborations include the 1969/1970 VW-Porsche 914, the 1976 Porsche 924 (which used many Audi components and was built at an Audi factory), and the 2002 Porsche Cayenne (which shares engineering with the VW Touareg).

In September 2005, Porsche announced it was buying a 20% stake in Volkswagen at a cost of €3 billion, with the intention that the combined stakes of Porsche, Volkswagen and the government of Lower Saxony ensure that any hostile takeover by foreign investors would be impossible [1]. In July Porsche increased their ownership to 25.1% and in March 2007 to 30.9%.