H4 HID conversion kit

Hella actually does make aftermarket HID kits (oem kit matched with a reflector suitable for an HID source). They offer their Micro DE, FF 200 , Rallye 4000 FF, and FF 1000 with a xenon option, BUT I think they're all labeled for offroad use only.

I'm not sure about HIDs on the Hella 500 housing. The setup wouldn't be DOT approved, and since most people mount their 500s at bumper height, you could become the target of some unhappy cop having a bad day. My headlights are DOT approved, but my fogs are not; however, they're so low to the ground (and aimed down) that they don't bother anyone.

If the Hella 500 uses H3 bulbs than you'd most likely have to use -eeek I can't believe I'm saying this - an aftermarket HID kit with a Mini H3C bulb to maintain a similar focal point. Rebased H3 HID bulbs have a different focal point than Mini H3C bulbs. BTW. here's a difference between the two.

my old aftermarket mini H3C VS my rebased H3 Philips ultinon
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I'm glad you posted that photo. Most people think when they put an HID kit into a Halogen environment that they're getting better light output. It may trick your eyes into thinking you're getting better light, but that's it. This is the perfect example of why they are receiving less, usable output. Focal point! Some kits are fairly close (The H9 kit I run in my Camaro for example are almost identical), but a lot of kits are quite a ways off.

BTW: No shots from last night. I got lazy lol. Had to get my haircut and didn't feel like going back to work to get the shots. I need to head out onto one of the back roads here and get some shots there.
 
Yea I'm not worried about DOT approved or not, just trying to get more lumens out of my lights, without having to redo every wire in the whole jeep. It's one thing 2 have two 130 watt bulbs in your 500's. But when you get up to 6 there is definitely some power drain going on.
 
I'm noticing the VVME kit seems to bottom out against the radiator support. This is with Hella H4 housings. Anyone else have this issue? There's nothing behind the support in the radiator compartment, so I'm thinking I'll just take a 2" hole saw and clearance it.
 
Alright HID gurus (Urban+Ghost) here is an assignment for you two. I would like to see you guys, design me an HID kit for $300 or less. If that's no possible, design me a xenon kit with hi beam and lo beam for around $200. If you feel like doing that Pm me with the results!
 
...? Xenon and HID are the same thing?

Well here's everything you'll need for a retro
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car...arms=39:1|65:7|240:1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

And here's the enclosures you'll have to bake and open up to fit everything inside
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DIAM...arms=39:1|65:1|240:1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

edit: that's only single beam, no high beams. If you want that you'll have to do bi-x, which are a lot bigger and harder to fit inside the ehadlight bucket. They tend to "bottom out" against the back of the header panel/rad support.
 
The retro above is a good setup and IS Bi-Xenon per the eBay add. So you're spending about $420 +/- shipping and/or tax for a Bi-Xenon, HID kit. Not bad at all as you'll have one of the brightest lighting setups on the road.

FWIW: Xenon / HID are not exactly the same. Xenon is just the type of gas used in certain bulbs (Most HID's have Xenon gas in the capsule). Xenon gas is also used in non HID applications, but it's a minimal amount and mainly used for marketing purposes. You don't need HID or "Xenon" if you're doing a budget setup here.

The cheapest, but still BRIGHT way to upgrade (non HID) is to do what I did (if you want to stick with halogens and be happy as heck):

~Hella 200mm E-code Housings - from Susquehanna Motorsports ($80 for both)
~IPF 100 watt low and 170 watt high H4 bulbs - from Quadratec ($86 for both)
~Hella custom upgraded wiring harness - from Susquehanna Motorsports ($75)

So $241 +/- some shipping and/or tax if applicable. And you're set with insane light. I've been running this for a little while now and it's great. I drive my Jeep over the Camaro at night because of the lighting, and my Camaro has HID projectors!

I stilllll have to get my butt in gear to get some photos of my setup compared to stock, compared to IPF housings with 55 watt IPF H4's, etc.
 
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make your own harness, a lil bit cheaper with all quality parts and its more fun to play with spaghetti haha, it took me a day to make sure i got mine right and it works great except for when my fan decides to eat my ground wire.
 
It says bi-xenon, but they're e46. And you can see the highbeam reflector right next to the projector... Talk about mis-advertised. The wiring harness/bulb combo is definitely the way to go if you don't wanna spend the extra cheddar. Autopal also makes some nice e-code housings, but I think Hella's or Cibie's are both better. Again, more money.
 
I'm not a guru. I have friends that retrofit headlights for a living, and I'm just a big fan of HID set-ups. The best I can do is give you some pointers to help you get started.

As I'm sure you know, oem hid kits DO NOT produce two different beams (a low and high beam). The light output is always the same; the beam pattern is actually controlled by a motorized flap inside the projector.Therefore, if you want to retain your high and low beams you'll need a complete take-out kit to retrofit into your headlights (that means you'll need the bi-xenon projectors, ballasts, and bulbs, I think suvlights.com sells wiring harnesses to finish the job). The only way to get the main parts cheap is to devote some serious time on eBay, or look for a boneyard where the guys working there don't know the resale value of HID take-offs.

The next step is even trickier. Our 6054 headlights are too small for conventional bi-xenon projectors. That's why my headlights bulge out front (the extra space is necessary to house the projector). Hella does make 90mm bi-xenon projectors, but its a moot point. They charge $590/assembly, and you still need to retrofit them (plus they won't be DOT approved). Based on those costs, the hella set-up makes my kit a relative bargain. The only way to keep this project at a minimal cost is to use the larger oem parts I mentioned earlier. Since the projectors need to go somewhere you'll have to cut into your header panel to fit the excess parts.

Parts aside, you still need to have a decent knowledge retrofitting headlights (so they level up), and you need to seal everything properly. It's no small task, and you have to be precise. If you botch up the retro your xenons will attract the cops. If you don't want to take on the project than you need to look into a Sylvania X6054 HID kit. It uses an osram 4100HID D2S for its low beam, and it compliments its high beam with a silverstar halogen.
 
I love when threads get long enough and bitchy enough to where no one wants to read them other than the people arguing.

I quit reading on page 2. I just open this up to see if anyone added any cool pictures.


Of course no one will read this other than the people arguing, so this is a little pointless.


PICTURES!!!
 
Stallacrew said:
I love when threads get long enough and bitchy enough to where no one wants to read them other than the people arguing.

I quit reading on page 2. Ijust open this up to see if anyone added any cool pictures.


Of course no one will read this other than the people arguing, so this is a little pointless.


PICTURES!!!
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We stopped arguing a few pages ago, so your post wasn't necessary. I prefer going through cool pics over reading stuff too, but sometimes you have to go through the whole thread before you make an inflammatory comment.
 
Originally Posted by Stallacrew
I love when threads get long enough and bitchy enough to where no one wants to read them other than the people arguing.

I quit reading on page 2. Ijust open this up to see if anyone added any cool pictures.


Of course no one will read this other than the people arguing, so this is a little pointless.


PICTURES!!!
Click to expand...

Thanks for contributing to this forum, your help is appreciated...:thumbdn:
This is exactly what modified tech is? If you want pictures go cruise around the picture forum... Otherwise keep your negative opinions quiet and learn.

Urbanyan what's wrong with the cheapo housings? I would rather blow $5 on some shitty ones than have to cut up a nice set of $35 autopals. Although, I do realize the construction would be much more solid.

Here's some pics of different retrofits, some 200mm, some not. All are one-off and use completely OEM parts (no $78 kits)

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urbanyan's kit
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Those are some really nice 200mm retros, but you can see what I mentioned earlier - a good portion of the projector is hanging out the back of the headlight. You'd have to cut into the header panel to fit the extra stuff that doesn't fit inside the headlight.



DanMan2k06 said:
Urbanyan what's wrong with the cheapo housings? I
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I just prefer glass lenses. Those plastic eBay varieties have inconsistent quality. Some of them yellow over time, pit or even crack (I had that happen to me on my previous set of fake projectors). I figure if you're going all out with quality projectors you might as well use something with a glass lens.



DanMan2k06 said:
urbanyan's kit
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close (that's a smaller application). mine are more... err... bulky.
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